Nutanix, Inc.'s (NTNX) CEO Dheeraj Pandey on Q4 2018 Results - Earnings Call Transcript

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Nutanix, Inc. (NASDAQ:NTNX) Q4 2018 Results Earnings Conference Call August 30, 2018 4:30 PM ET


Tonya Chin - IR

Dheeraj Pandey - Founder, CEO, and Chairman

Duston Williams - CFO


Andrew Nowinski - Piper Jaffray

Matt Hedberg - RBC Capital Markets

Rod Hall - Goldman Sachs

Mark Murphy - J.P. Morgan

Jason Ader - William Blair

Aaron Rakers - Wells Fargo

Katy Huberty - Morgan Stanley

Alex Kurtz - KeyBanc Capital Markets


Good afternoon. My name is Mike and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Nutanix Fourth Quarter and Fiscal 2018 Financial Results Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]

I will now turn the call over to Tonya Chin, Vice President, Investor Relations and Corporate Communications. You may begin your conference.

Tonya Chin

Thanks. Good afternoon and welcome to today's conference call to discuss the results of our fourth quarter and fiscal 2018. This call is also being broadcast live over the web and can be accessed in the Investor Relations section of the Nutanix website. Joining me today are Dheeraj Pandey, Nutanix's CEO; and Duston Williams, Nutanix's CFO.

After the market closed today, Nutanix issued a press release announcing the financial results for its fourth quarter and fiscal 2018. If you'd like a copy of the release, you can find it in the press releases section of the company's website.

We would like to remind you that during today's call, management will make forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Safe Harbor provisions of federal securities laws regarding the company's anticipated future revenue, billings, gross margin, operating expenses, net loss, loss per share, free cash flow, business plans and objectives, product sales, plans and timing for and the impact of our transition to focus more on software-only sales and our transition to a subscription-based business model, expectations regarding products, services, product features and technology that are under development or were recently acquired, competitive and industry dynamics, new strategic partnerships and acquisition, our intention to acquire new technology, changes in sales productivity, expectations regarding increasing software sales, changes in the segmentation of our sales organization and the impact of such changes, our plans regarding how we will report software content of our business, potential market opportunities, and other financial and business-related information.

These forward-looking statements involve a number of risks and uncertainties, some of which are beyond our control, which could cause actual results to differ materially and adversely from those anticipated by these statements. These forward-looking statements apply as of today and you should not rely on them, as representing our views in the future. We undertake no obligation to update these statements after this call.

For a more detailed description of these risks and uncertainties, please refer to our quarterly report on Form 10-Q for the third quarter of fiscal 2018 filed with the SEC on June 12th, 2018, as well as our earnings release posted a few minutes ago on our website. Copies of these documents may be obtained with the SEC or by visiting the Investor Relations section of our website.

Also, please note that unless otherwise specifically referenced, all financial measures we use on this call today are expressed on a non-GAAP basis and have been adjusted to exclude certain charges. We have provided reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures to GAAP financial measures in the Investor Relations section of our website and in our earnings press release. As a reminder, all results included in today's call and press release are using the ASC 606 revenue standard.

Lastly, Nutanix will be at the Piper Jaffray Conference in Dana Point on September 5th and also at the Deutsche Bank Technology Conference in Las Vegas on September 12th. We hope to see many of you there.

Now, I'll turn over the call to Dheeraj. Dheeraj?

Dheeraj Pandey

Thank you, Tonya. Good afternoon everyone. Q4 was another fantastic quarter and a great bookend to our fiscal 2018. We grew our software and subscription business steadily throughout the year with Q4 year-over-year billings growth of over 66% and Q4 year-over-year revenue growth of 49%. We delivered record performance in several areas, including delivering non-GAAP gross margins of nearly 78% and growing our deferred revenue balance by 71% for the -- from the prior year.

Duston will dive deeper into these results shortly, but before he and I delve into Q4, let me spend a few more moments focusing on our fiscal 2018 and highlight how we have acted like a big company, i.e. celebrating leverage at scale, and also like a small startup, i.e. building things that people like at the same time.

In fiscal 2018, we delivered close to $1.2 billion in software and support billings, growing 54% year-over-year and added over 3,600 new customers. In fact, our year-over-year growth accelerated from the previous year despite a much larger base and having generated a higher free cash flow than the year before.

Last year, we achieved tremendous leverage in our go-to-market. Customer productivity or market pulls for the first dollar after 18 months, is at an all-time high across all segments of the market.

Our existing customers provide us massive leverage because of the quality of our product and our obsession with customer success as well as the size of the total addressable market of computing in the Global 10000. This leverage from existing customers is also a result of our sales segmentation and our continued re-platforming of the large enterprise with a broad operating system software value proposition.

Over the next 18 months, we'll work even harder on commercial segmentation as we build a world-class feeder program for our mid-market business with the help of out-of-school undergrads, inside account executives, and highly leveraged SC-to-rep ratio specific to this market segment.

This will allow our enterprise account managers to have continued focus on the Global 5000 emphasizing in enterprise cloud sales motion and delivering on larger software deals. We have also continued to streamline our marketing efforts by getting more surgical in our targeting by region, by product, by customer, and by leveraging our digital assets.

The next natural milestone in this journey of leverage and software subscription, i.e. term licenses in cloud. We have talked about how we'll be streaming our technology over the Internet of Xi, spelled X-I, we also have an immense opportunity to convert our on-prem software entitlements, which were typically termed over the life of the device to explicit one, three, or five-year term licenses.

This is yet another driver of leverage, as shorter term smaller deals in the mid-market can be fulfilled by inside sales and digital delivery of software licenses. This also means that renewals of shorter term deals can be done by our inside renewals team. This shift enables our field sales team to increasingly focus on larger customers and longer term contracts. More on this in Duston's narrative.

Another area of leverage we have achieved in the last couple of years is around our software operating system. Like the consumer cloud companies, we derive immense technology leverage from Linux, Apache, and increasingly, cloud-native computing foundation, CMCF projects.

While both Red Hat and Nutanix leverage open source, at our current pace, we expect to achieve Red Hat-like sales by fiscal 2021 in about half the time it took them because of our emphasis on last-mile problems of enterprise-grade reliability, consumer-grade design, and our innovation in data and orchestration services. We're also seeing substantial leverage in having a distributed development team around the world including in the United States, India, Germany, and now Belgrade.

This leverage is now starting to show in the way our new apps are coming together. AFS or Acropolis File Services, now renamed Nutanix Files, will have been done in almost one-tenth the time it took to build that within NetApp, and with less than one-tenth the number of engineers approximately.

Our high provider, AHV similarly took one-tenth the number of engineers than VMware, almost 15 year's less time. Era, our new organic database virtualization product; Calm, our multi-cloud automation and orchestration service; and Buckets, our new object storage service, are equivalent to start-ups out there that are roughly 10 times larger in employee size have taken about 10 times more dollars to build and almost five to 10 times more time.

Flow, our network security product, enjoyed a similar competitive advantage of small developer teams that have used Linux and technology from our recent acquisition, Netsil, now called Epoch

[Indiscernible] Beam, our multi-cloud cost governance SaaS service and our organic IoT platform named Sherlock. These are some services across IaaS and PaaS that we've added to our portfolio over the last 18 months that will enjoy the APIs and their usability for enterprise cloud platform, including our billing, identity, and support services that we've invested in over the last eight years.

Such R&D leverage notwithstanding, we you need to invest in the go-to-market machinery of these "apps" in the coming 24 to 36 months. Simply spiffing the current salesforce will only take money out of one pocket and put it into the other.

The revenue from these newer products won't be accretive until we have talked about their P&Ls explicitly. This is why we're using an approximate 70/20/10 rule of thumb around capital allocation. That is 70% in our core business, 20% in the transformation of the business into cloud and subscription, and 10% on new products or services that will be accretive to the platform.

While we are maniacally focused in the success of each, we will fail fast if a product doesn't work and we'll hawkishly avoid waste which at scale, can become a problem. Our attention to detail has enamored us to our customers, and that customer love fuels our ambition to act like a start-up again. In essence, we'll continue to build new products that delight people.

One such example of a new product that delights people is Frame, a recent acquisition of a start-up founded by Nikola Bozinovic. Nikola's passion was in video optimizations and GPU processing and he used that passion to build a multi-cloud desktop virtualization product. He fundamentally believes that just like high-quality video that can be streamed over the Internet to any browser, desktops can be streamed to a browser following the standard principles of movie and image processing. Frame currently operates in a $3 billion market and we think we can grow this market with our focus on instant delivery and end-user delight.

Frame is a rethink of the digital desktop market and its empty canvas approach to multi-cloud and cloud-native architecture makes it 10 times simpler than traditional software that has historically taken 10 times more people and time to build.

All these new services are getting ready for Xi, as Xi itself is now available through its early access program, with the general availability still planned for the end of the year for the disaster recovery-as-a-service product, which we are calling Leap. Leap redefines cloud seeding, with one click fail over and fail back, what if parallel universe testing, and hybrid cloud migration. We hope it truly blur the line between on-prem and off-prem clouds, between owning and renting creating a new category around hyperconverged clouds.

As you work on platform -- own platform, we continue to broaden our ties across the industry to provide our customers with more validation that they can rely on our platform for the most critical applications. Just yesterday, we became the first HCI software to become certified to run SAP HANA workloads. HANA is an extremely demanding strategic workload and we're delighted to work with SAP to build a strong joint customer base.

Coming to some color in Q4, this quarter, we added approximately 1,000 new customers bringing our total number to 10,610. In this last fiscal year, we added nearly as many customers as we had when we IPO-ed two years ago. We now count 710 Global 2000 companies as customers, adding approximately 40 in Q4 2018 and 140 overall in fiscal 2018.

Q4 also brought continued momentum in large deals with 46 deals worth more than $1 million; nine of which were worth more than $3 million and two of which were worth more than $5 million. We closed 201 deals worth more than $1 million in fiscal 2018, up from 144 in fiscal 2017. And now we have 26 customers with a lifetime spend of more than $10 million, up from 11 in fiscal 2017.

And we continue to see depth across vertical markets with customers like colocation provider Cyxtera; motorsports raceway management company, International Speedway Corporation; telecom provider, NETCOM BB; and law firm, Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld.

This quarter we closed 23 deals worth more than $1 million with customers with a lifetime spend of more than $5 million. Our total number of accounts with a lifetime spend of more than $1 million increased by 240 year-over-year, and our total lifetime bookings for the same group grew by more than 75% year-over-year.

One of these customers are a Global 2000 chain electronics retailer, continues to expand its use of our platform within its enterprise cloud. This customer relies on our platform for its mission-critical workloads, including a high end and very large database environment. This customer also runs containerized applications in our software and continues to purchase our planned robotics and automation project for its distribution centers.

Another of these customers, an American multinational biopharmaceutical company within the Global 2000, has a lifetime spend of more than $10 million and uses our platform to support a number of use cases within its environment including VDI and remote offices. A large American healthcare company was another one of these customers.

After initially selecting our platform for its ROBO sites, remote office branch office sites, this Global 2000 customer decided they want to take a full data center modernization project on our platform, and now has a lifetime spend of more than $10 million. This is another strong quarter for U.S. federal business, which contributed five deals worth more than $1 million.

Our top deal of the quarter and the largest in the company's history worth more than $20 million was with a DoD agency looking for a simple and resilient solution to power its combat edge clouds across the world. This customer will use our Enterprise Cloud platform to power 15 remote sites running two different networks.

Another one of these deals with a different entity within the DoD, continue to expand into use of our platform with a repeat buy in the quarter which included the purchase of licenses for our Calm application life cycle management offering.

Our second largest deal of the quarter, worth more than $5 million, was one of the oldest American financial services firms in continuous operation; that is one of the top five largest passive fund managers in the U.S. They selected our software as the infrastructure of choice for global VDI deployment and completed initial order for the first phase of its deployment in the U.S.

We also have had a noteworthy win with an EMEA-based banking customer. This repeat customer decided to expand the use of our platform to include our file services, AFS, now called Nutanix Files, and also our hypervisor AHV.

One of our earliest AFS customer, Netcom BB, an APAC-based telecom company, also purchased this quarter as part of its cloud migration. This customer had moved some workloads to public cloud and is now shifting them back to its Nutanix base on-prem cloud.

AHV was also a significant factor for an American luxury jewelry and specialty retailer headquartered in New York City. After exhaustive head to head testing against another hypervisor, this Global 2000 customer chose AHV as its hypervisor of choice for its ROBO deployment.

In a multimillion deal this quarter, Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld LLP, our U.S. headquartered international law firm, will use our software to power its North American cloud to power the entirety of its U.S. operations and approximately 90% of its services worldwide. This customer invested in our ultimate license and partly because of our software-based data-aggressed encryption and the plan to take advantage of AHV to run internal IT management systems as well as SQL database workloads. They also intend to roll out 14 remote sites globally in early 2019.

We secured 21 deals worth more than $2 million this quarter. And in one, a French multinational financial services organization continues to extend their platform throughout its global cloud. This Global 2000 customer now runs more than 20,000 VMs on Nutanix software and has a lifetime spend of more than $10 million.

One Global 2000 repeat customer, a French multinational hospitality company that owns, manages, and franchises hotels, resorts, and vacation properties, purchased our Calm offering for an automation project to deploy over the next several months. This customer has a lifetime spend of more than $3 million and uses our software for a variety of workloads, including SQL database and Splunk.

Our business was built on a foundation of talented and driven employees, innovative technology, and an aggressive go-to-market strategy. In fiscal 2018, we strengthen each of these, adding new Board members and senior leadership in key areas. We've grown to more than 4,000 employees in the last eight-plus years, and we have to be watchful of complexity. Complexity in products, in the organization, and the overall business, keeping them simple and continuing to be employee and customer-obsessed have to be our core competitive advantage.

We recently qualified and launched the core principles in which this company has operated to ensure that we both document and communicate the true north for both our employees and our broader Nutanix community.

Overall, Q4 was a great bookend to a tremendous fiscal year. Our journey is ambitious, and there's still much work to be done. We believe the hard work and dedication of our team and our design focus have put us in a steady path towards our goal of being a true enterprise cloud company that blurs the lines between owning and renting computing.

Now, let me turn the call over to Duston. Duston?

Duston Williams

Thank you, Dheeraj. Before we get into the review of our strong Q4 and fiscal 2018 results, I thought it would be helpful for me to summarize where we are in our overall software transition and more importantly, where we're headed in FY 2019.

In fiscal 2018, we embarked on a business and consumption model transition, the likes of which few, if any companies, have accomplished, focusing on the elimination of the pass-through hardware revenue associated with the sales of our turnkey NX appliances.

During our Q1 earnings call, just nine -- Q1 2018 earnings call, just nine months ago, we committed to a bold plan to eliminate a majority of our pass-through hardware revenue. Today, I'm extremely pleased to say that we have eliminated our hardware pass-through revenue exactly according to this plan. It's important to note that all of our non-portable software transactions associated with the past appliance sales were not perpetual licenses but rather, licenses valid for the life of the device. Therefore, we expect a large portion of these historical non-portable software licenses to renew over time.

Beginning in Q2 2019 and ramping through the second half of the fiscal year, we will make changes to how our software solutions will be packaged for our non-portable software sales, directly associated with the Nutanix appliance or NX.

For instance, we will begin a phased-in approach for software licensing connection with the new Nutanix NX sale that will transition the business to a term-based subscription licensing model. This will replace today's licensing structure, which is based on life of the hardware, giving customers greater choice and flexibility around their software procurement strategies and provide portability of the software.

Over the last few quarters, we've also been focused on selling more term-based subscription software associated with our current offerings. In other words, deals without any associated hardware. These term-based subscription software deals typically one, three or five-year terms, have not only been increasing in number but also in deal size. And finally our recent introduction of Beam, Frame and soon, Xi, as well as other future offerings allow us to begin selling cloud-based subscription software.

In association with these changes, beginning Q1 fiscal 2019, we will disclose our software and entitlement details in a manner that is consistent with many other software companies.

We will go from providing breakouts for pass-through hardware, software, entitlements, and support as we have done this year, to providing the following four category breakups: One, pass-through hardware. This category will affect the cost of any hardware remaining that we transact on our books, and this will reflect no change to how we currently report hardware.

Two, non-portable software. Non-portable software will represent sales of our software operating system when delivered on an appliance by us, one of our contract manufacturers or one of our OEM partners. The software licenses associated with these sales are typically non-portable and tied to the life of the appliance it is delivered on.

Three, subscription. The category of subscription sales will be generated from the sales of renewable software such as term-based licenses and cloud-based software-as-a-service or SaaS offerings as well as include renewable software entitlement and support subscriptions.

And finally, professional services. The professional services sales category will include sales of professional services relating to our products. We believe this new breakout will give greater transparency into our business, particularly as it relates to the details around the true recurring nature of our business.

And beginning next quarter, like the approach we took with providing our estimated hardware reduction, we will provide a multiple quarter outlook on how we see our subscription business trending as a percentage of the total business.

Now, we move on to an overview of fiscal 2018 and the fourth quarter performance. I'll first touch on a few key fiscal 2018 highlights. As you've heard in fiscal 2018, software and support revenue increased 47% while software and support billings grew 54%.

Our bill-to-revenue ratio increased to 1.23 in fiscal 2018 versus 1.17 in fiscal 2017, driving the deferral of an incremental $55 million of high margin revenue during the quarter. The increase in this revenue is directly correlated to a surge in non-portable software and subscription sold during the year.

Gross margins improved to 68% in fiscal 2018 versus 63% in fiscal 2017. And we were also pleased that we self-funded our rapid, at-scale growth this year while generating $30 million in free cash flow. And our Rule of 40 score in fiscal 2018 was 51, a level very few companies achieve.

Now, a few of the Q4 highlights. Revenue for the fourth quarter was $304 million, growing 20% from the year ago and up 5% from the previous quarter ahead of our guidance of $295 million to $300 million.

In Q4, we targeted to eliminate $95 million of pass-through hardware revenue, and we eliminated exactly $95 million. Software and support revenue, which most accurately reflects the growth of our business, was $268 million in Q4, up 49% from the year ago quarter and up 18% from the prior quarter.

Total billings were $395 million in the quarter, representing a 37% increase from the year ago quarter and a 12% increase from Q3. And once again, and consistent with last quarter, this billings performance far exceeded our implied guidance in the current Street estimates of $372 million.

Software and support billings were $359 million, growing 66% from the year ago quarter and up 23% from the prior quarter. At the start of fiscal 2018, we committed to have our pass-through hardware revenue represent only 9% of our total billings by Q4 and we delivered on this target exactly in the quarter. On a billings basis, our product mix for Q4 was 91% software and support and 9% pass-through hardware.

Although our forecast are always comprised of a mix of small deals and large deals and various associated probabilities, the reference greater than $20 million deal did result in the U.S. public sector of our business exceeding its plan to some degree, which partially contributed to the Q4 billing's outperformance.

The bill-to-revenue ratio in Q4 was 1.3, exceeding our previous estimate of 1.25 and driving the deferral of an additional $12 million more in revenue that would have been reflected in both revenue and gross profit.

It's important to note that at a bill-to-revenue ratio of 1.25 to 1.3, Nutanix is on a net basis, deferring a greater percentage of billings than most SaaS companies, including Salesforce, Workday, ServiceNow, VMware, Splunk, and Tableau.

Our Q4 deferred revenue increased by $91 million from Q3, up 71% from a year ago and up 17% from the previous quarter, ending the quarter at $631 million. New customer bookings represented 30% of total bookings in the quarter, up from 26% in Q3. In Q4, our software and support-related bookings from our international regions were 40% of total software and support bookings versus 38% in Q4 2017.

Our non-GAAP gross margin grew strongly in Q4 to 77.7%, up from 62.6% in the year ago quarter, 68.4% in the prior quarter, and better than our guidance of 73% to 74%. Operating expenses were $256 million and within our guidance range of $250 million to $260 million. On a non-GAAP basis, net loss was $19 million for the quarter, a loss of $0.11 per basic share.

Now, a few balance sheet highlights here and some other metrics. We closed the quarter with cash and short-term investments of $934 million, and it was up from $923 million in Q3. DSO is on a straight average with 78 days compared to 60 days this quarter. Month three represented less than 50% of our total bookings. However, billings were a bit more back-end loaded. The weighted average DSO was 23 days in Q4.

We generated $23 million of cash from operations in the quarter, which was positively impacted by $14 million of ESPP inflow and we generated a positive $6 million of free cash flow during the quarter. This performance was also positively impacted by the same $14 million of ESPP.

Now, I'll turn to the guidance for the first quarter. On a non-GAAP basis, we expect the following for Q1; billings between $370 million and $390 million versus current consensus of $374 million, a bill-to-revenue ratio of approximately 1.26, revenue between $295 million and $310 million, gross margin between 78% and 79%, operating expenses between $280 million and $290 million, and a per share loss of between $0.26 and $0.28, using weighted average shares outstanding of 176 million.

Now, let me just share a little bit more color regarding the Q1 guidance. Our billings guidance assumes pass-through hardware to be 5% to 6% of total billings versus our previous estimate of 7%. This one to two percentage point reduction negatively impacts total billings and revenue by $4 million to $8 million, that otherwise would have been reflected as additional pass-through hardware billings and revenue.

The offset to the slightly reduced billings and revenue expectation is that we now expect higher gross margins, which will continue to run significantly ahead of our prior expectations.

We provided a bit wider guidance range this quarter to accommodate some potential fluctuation in the ultimate pass-through hardware percentage. And it's also very important to note that the difference in the estimated bill-to-revenue ratio of 1.26 versus the current Street consensus of 1.21 results in upwards of $12 million more deferred revenue than otherwise, which would have been reflected in both revenue and gross profit. Our billings guidance also implies that software and support billings will grow between 50% and 55% from Q1 2018.

And one final comment on our Q1 guidance. Q4 was another strong quarter, which provided us with further conviction that our Q2s, the January quarter, and our Q4s, the July quarter, continue to get stronger while our Q1s, the October quarter and our Q3s, the April quarter are exhibiting a bit softer seasonal trend. We expect this pattern to continue into fiscal 2019 and this is reflected in our Q1 guidance.

And before we open up the call for questions, I'd like to touch on a few additional thoughts around fiscal 2019. First, it will be another exciting year of transition for Nutanix as we continue our business model and consumption model transition.

With a focus on expanding our current market-leading position while at the same time remaining within our Rule of 40 commitment, we expect to significantly increase spending in fiscal 2019. The spending will continue to be directed towards our core products as well as a substantial increased allocation to our growing new product portfolio, including, but not limited to, Xi, Beam, Epoch, Era, Flow, Sherlock, and our newest offering, Frame, many of which are cloud-based subscription offerings.

We believe these investments will provide strong leverage based on their ability to drive significantly increased shareholder value over time. As a point of reference, one very recent analyst report estimated that our Beam acquisition could be worth an incremental $1.2 billion of enterprise value in four years.

As Dheeraj mentioned in his narrative, we are clearly not taking a myopic approach with our investments. And although these new investments are not yet generating any significant revenue, they will certainly play a major role in driving superior growth through fiscal 2021 and beyond. At our next Investor Day, we will provide some clarity into our projections for our new product portfolio.

When we sit back and analyze our spending plans, we take note of the following: our strong growth in spending will be completely self-funded by our free cash flow; our ramped rep sales productivity has increased sequentially for the last three six-month periods ending Q4 2017, Q2 2018, and Q4 2018 and our customer repeat purchase multiples continue to increase.

Based on what we believe to be a very compelling ROI on our investments, fiscal 2019 will clearly be a year that we trade off free cash flow and profitability in favor of extending our market leading position in superior growth at scale.

Under the Rule of 40 framework, our guiding principle has been and will continue to be to deliver self-funding, superior growth. Even with our planned increase in spending, we expect to remain within our committed Rule of 40 score of 40% with most and more likely all of the score coming from annual software and support revenue growth.

These incremental investments in our core offerings as well as our growing new product portfolio strengthens our conviction that we remain on track to deliver at least $3 billion in billings in FY 2021.

And with that, operator, if you could open up the call for questions, that would be great.

Question-and-Answer Session


[Operator Instructions]

Your first question comes from Andrew Nowinski from Piper Jaffray.

Andrew Nowinski

Great. Thank you. Maybe just a question on the new subscription-based licenses you're talking about. Can you just give us an idea on what the breakeven point might be as to when a customer purchasing a perpetual license or the revenue from the subscription-based license would surpass what will have spent from a customer purchasing a perpetual license?

And then whether you think they'll spend more over a three-year period with the new subscription licenses you're offering?

Dheeraj Pandey

Yes. Thanks for the question. So, obviously, our current licenses are not perpetual. They were the life of device because that's the most important thing that when they would have gone for new hardware -- remember this is server-side hardware; it's not any kind of proprietary hardware. It's commodity, off-the-shelf servers but people are probably refreshing the memory four years.

And with the new model, we're going for one, three, and five-year term licenses. And we expect that most often, people buy three-year licenses, which is what our average support term has also been.

And I think the big goal here is that when we look at the mid-market transactions, the conversations that our mid-market sellers are having in the mid-market, they expect to really go and have another leverage point in terms of discounting behavior and whether they can actually go and sell them one year licenses.

In many cases, this is the cloud-like consumption model of saying why don't you just try with one-year term, and in that, we don't have to discount it much. And over time, that one year could look like six months and one quarter, so we really have a continuum in which we can go and negotiate with the market at scale, especially in the mid-market transactions.

Andrew Nowinski

Okay. And then you -- when you started the transition model or the transition to software-only, I think you talked about how the deal sizes were actually going up. Can you just give us any color in terms of how that's played out since you started the transition? And maybe just a brief explanation as to why the deal sizes are going higher? Is that just from customers doing bigger ELAs?

Dheeraj Pandey

I think its multiple factors. One of them is, obviously, our salesforce has been segmented so it's looking after larger enterprise customers and definitely not ELAs. We're not doing any ELAs at all. All our deals in software -- I mean, except for one or two of them, have all been term licenses, including for support as well.

So, yes, it would be -- as a company, we really stayed away from scorching the earth and going after large deals and pulling from the future.

Andrew Nowinski

Great. Thanks.


Your next question comes from Matt Hedberg from RBC Capital Markets.

Matt Hedberg

Hey thanks for taking my question guys. Strong results this quarter. Your end markets are clearly growing rapidly. You guys are benefiting from a shift in spend away from legacy solutions. I guess, Dheeraj, from a competitive perspective, fundamentally, how do you differentiate yourself from VMware, which I think is the -- your biggest competitor there? And just how is your fundamental approach different?

Dheeraj Pandey

Yes, yes. Thanks for the question, Matt. I think -- so we definitely sell similar products. We are relatively close in the Rule of 40, they're at 47, we are at 51 last fiscal. But they're also managing a growth of 12%, and we have to manage a much higher growth. So, in some sense, the similarities end there. And now you start to see how the companies are so different.

And they have an installed base of, I don't know, maybe $40-plus billion. We have an installed base of almost $4 billion. They were really created in the Microsoft era of right click while we were really born in the era of Apple and machine learning, which is one or zero clicks, so there's a huge emphasis on design as well.

A lot of VMware's technology is inside the kernel, which is the hypervisor, where we do a lot of work in user space. And therefore, we end up leveraging a lot more open source, which VMware is trying to do via the Amazon partnership actually.

They have a lot of perpetual licenses. We are progressively going to move toward subscription in the immediate future. And they're very -- they are very competitor-obsessed, we are very customer-obsessed.

And I think, for us, the focus has always been about the customer. We had to focus so much on design. We didn't get it easy. They sold themselves to EMC to build an operating systems company. We had to do it one customer at a time, inching our gross margins from low 40s to high 70s, one NPS point at a time. And it's been hard and it's been worth every penny.

They tried vCloud Air but that didn't last long. And if you think of us, we were born with hardware and ops and experience of full stack customer support for the last several years. We never gave our support away to OEMs, especially L3 support.

So, when you're operating a cloud, you need to know ops really well. Customers don't really care about the cloud; they care about a cloud as long as it runs their app seamlessly. Even when it comes to PaaS, platform-as-a-service, our approach is a lot more different than VMware's. They will have to deal with Pivotal and Amazon at the same time, and there are going to be swim lanes and flowcharts. If there's an account with Amazon but not Pivotal, not Dell EMC, then do this. Otherwise, if it's Pivotal and Dell but not Amazon, then you see -- so you see the point, there's this complexity of EMC back in the day. Too many swim lanes, too much strategy in the field, too much friction to reduce. It becomes less about the customer and more about protecting the routes to market. It's really important to have a clarity of purpose in product design.

And also, I think the way we are doing it in terms of building our own journey for digital delivery -- if you think about Target and Toys"R"Us; they stopped figuring out how to build a muscle around digital delivery. But digital delivery is the new oxygen for any tech company. That's what Hollywood left for Netflix to solve and we all know the rest, same with Toys"R"Us. Digital is the new oil. Digital is the only way to connect to the end user in real time. And computing is about e-commerce now. Wanting to learn won't cut it, as Hollywood realizes. So, I think digital delivery will matter, which is what Xi and many things around Xi that they're building.

And also we can't lean too much to one side in this multi-cloud world. As I mentioned, customers are looking for a cloud, not the cloud. There's a reason why VMware didn't want to be part of Dell. They had to be the Switzerland of servers. But what about looking at cloud as the new server? Doesn't someone need to play the Switzerland of clouds and make money like VMware did a decade ago? That's our strategy, and that's how we're differentiated against VMware.

Matt Hedberg

Super helpful. And maybe just maybe just a quick one for Duston. Appreciate your commentary on expense growth this year. I think for your guide, I think you're looking for about $30 million of sequential OpEx growth from Q4 to Q1. Can you kind of help us how we should think about OpEx growth through the year? I mean, is it $10 million, $15 million sequentially? Just any sort of help there, I think, would be helpful from a modeling perspective.

Duston Williams

Yes, I think the -- it's probably -- obviously, more than that now with the new product focus here that -- and obviously, a lot going to the core as Dheeraj mentioned earlier products. But clearly, we'll up our spend on new products, which we should. And I think the easiest thing, from a model perspective, is kind of go back to my comments of the Rule of 40 and staying within that 40% commitment, but highly likely all of that comes from -- on the revenue side. So, I think when you look at your model and adjust some of that, it will give you a feel for probably what you should do on the expense side.

Matt Hedberg

Got it. Thanks guys.


The next question comes from Rod Hall from Goldman Sachs.

Rod Hall

Yes, hi guys. Thanks for the question. I guess I wanted to start off by, I guess, the one, three, and five-year term licenses. I wonder are there any other variations within these licenses? I know in the past you guys have talked about maybe varying the price by number of quarters or size of the machine that the license is running on. So, just wanted to see if there are other nuances within that model and then I've got a follow-up as well.

Dheeraj Pandey

Yes, definitely. Thanks, Rod, for the call -- for the question. So, we are looking at two different axes; one is term, the other one is capacity, which is the kind of T-shirt sizes people want to buy is -- could be higher on CPU and higher on flash or higher on CPU and low on flash. And these are the two sort of vectors we're looking at. One is term; the other one is capacity, which includes both compute and flash storage.

Rod Hall

Okay. Thanks Dheeraj. That's really helpful. And then I also wanted to get a feel -- I know you said you're going to phase it in and you're going to start reporting this in the first quarter. Can you give us any idea how fast it's going to phase-in? Are you going to just -- are you out of the shoots now starting to sell it across the Board? Or how does this progress through the business I guess?

Dheeraj Pandey

Yes. I mean we've been doing enough of the third-party hardware selling for the last 18 months now. So, many of those are already there in our business. It's not like a new muscle that we have to build. The new one is going to be around -- really going in, homogenizing and harmonizing the way we've been doing it for the SuperMicro hardware and the rest of the hardware that others have been buying directly. But I think -- all-in-all, I think you will see a projection come out a quarter from now. We'll talk about what subscription looks like. Right, Duston?

Duston Williams

Yes, yes.

Rod Hall

So, it's still -- it's not fully available, Dheeraj? Just to be clear, it will become available sometime this year depending on what type of license you might want to buy, is that right?

Dheeraj Pandey

No. I think the third-party stuff -- as I said, already we've done almost 15% of that just this last quarter. So, there's enough that we've been doing for the last 18 months on other party hardware and that was always subscription. It was never a perpetual license.

And now we'll add -- all our customers we're saying, you know what, I would rather buy a white box, which is SuperMicro, and then the software on top of it. That software will now be portable. That's the big change you're making in terms of entitlement saying, you can take this software and put on any other hardware over time.

Rod Hall

Okay. All right. Thank you very much.

Duston Williams

And then, Rod, that's what we mentioned that we'd give you some further insight into Q1, how we think that progresses through the fiscal year.

Rod Hall

Great. Okay, thanks Duston.


Your next question comes from Mark Murphy from J.P. Morgan.

Mark Murphy

Thank you, Dheeraj. I'm interested in how you view the hybrid cloud strategy of the major public cloud providers. For instance, Amazon with VMware and they're extending on-premise with RDS on VMware now. Microsoft's with Azure Stack. Google is now offering GKE On-Premise.

So, they're -- it just seems like there's so many vectors of change there in -- literally in the last month. And I'm just curious what you think is the net effect? Is it helping to validate the overall Nutanix vision? Or does it kind of up the ante on your Google partnership? Or is there any possibility it would cause customers to pause and sort of evaluate the path forward at some point?

Dheeraj Pandey

Yes. Thanks for the question, Mark and thank you for the upgrade today as well. So, we -- if you go back seven years, when we really started the company, there was a lot of froth about converged infrastructure, large companies coming together and saying -- with Cisco and EMC and VMware and NetApp, there's all sorts of consortiums that are coming together and saying, this is the next cloud, in some sense, in a box.

And it did have revenue. It had a buzz for a while. And then the question is what eventually survived? I mean, nobody talks about Vblock and FlexPod anymore. But the real question is, who's going to build the best operating system for the multi-cloud? And it's very, very early in that marathon.

I think we are trying to stay like the way VMware stayed out of the server wars, saying, look, we just need to the Switzerland of servers. Design will win and as will customer love, I think.

For example, think of Xi Leap, which is our idea-as-a-service. I will spend two-plus years building something that really will hyperconverge on-prem with off-prem. Now, think of Calm, how it's painfully building migration within clouds and melding Kubernetes with VMs. Same thing that RDS equivalent, Era as we call it, will use so much for our compute and storage functionality.

And the battle will be back to data services and performance. So, it's really early in the hybrid wars. The one thing that we've at least come to appreciate from these announcements, that the public cloud folks are now at least being pragmatic in saying that, look, not everything can be rented. There's enough laws of the land and laws of physics, and laws of economics around owning and renting that will dictate this idea of a hybrid cloud. And we have been saying this for the last two, three years now. And I think innovation eventually will win and that's what happened to converged infrastructure. Today, nobody talks about the word converged infrastructure.

Mark Murphy

Thank you for that Dheeraj. And Duston, if I may, I had a follow-up. The billings result in the billings guidance are obviously quite robust. And I was just wondering if you -- could you just clarify whether all of that large U.S. DoD deal win is reflected in the result this quarter?

And then when you look at the pipeline composition, does it seem fairly diversified and predictable? Or would you say that there are more of these large discrete deals along the lines of the DoD win that might be a little harder to predict than timing?

Duston Williams

Yes. So, on the big deal that we referenced greater than $20 million, it was all billed in Q4. Although that's one of the reasons our bill-to-revenue ratio went up a little bit is that -- just the nature of the support piece on that. Only about 40% of that deal was actually recognized in revenue in the quarter and the rest will be over the support period. So, that's the first piece there.

And on the second piece, I think just the business in general, as Dheeraj talked about extensively earlier, is that we're seeing bigger deals and we will continue to get larger and larger deals. Now, Q1 has the additional variable of federal, of course, with the year end. We've always had a pretty good Q1 for federal; we're assuming it's going to be okay. This quarter also, a decent performance there. And any time you're talking federal, you have some lumpiness in there.

So, we'll have some bigger deals that will appear in the quarter. We've assumed some will, some won't, so we've taken -- hope a pretty good balanced approach from a federal perspective.

Mark Murphy

Understood. Thank you.


Your next question comes from Jason Ader from William Blair.

Jason Ader

Yes, thanks guys. Duston, could you comment on backlog and visibility at quarter end? I know that's sort of -- you just talked a little bit about that on the fed side. But how are you feeling about this -- the Q1 seasonality and having that confidence in that billings guide that you gave?

Duston Williams

Yes. I mean, we wouldn't have guided if we didn't feel reasonably confident in the numbers. So, that's the first point there. I'm sorry, the first -- your first?

Jason Ader


Duston Williams

Backlog. Yes, yes. On backlog, it always bounces around. It bounced around little this quarter but not substantially up or down from prior quarter. The composition has changed. We used to have more hardware not -- zero margin hardware embedded in that. Now, it's pretty much -- the vast majority of our backlog is software and support, as you might expect. So, it's a better profile of backlog also.

Jason Ader

Okay, great. And then for Dheeraj, it's hard to keep up with all the new products, honestly. You have a laundry list right now. But what -- which products -- I mean, can you kind of hone us in on a couple of products that you feel very strongly about, let's say, over the next 12 to 18 months that will start to become more meaningful?

Dheeraj Pandey

Thanks Jason for the question. Yes, I mean, if you go back to like the introduction of the iPhone, there had to be some native apps that Apple itself had to build. But if you don't build though, you don't get the experience of what it means to build a platform. So, it was upon us to really go and test every little facet of the underlying operating system, the platform, the cloud services, the APIs, many things that all these six to eight apps are really doing. And without building your own, there's no viable platform per se. And that's what we're really doing in six to eight of these.

A couple of these are really good in terms of the promise of what they really drag in terms of compute and storage. They will go and -- like, for example, Frame and Era, Era being the database virtualization product, which is an equivalent of RDS, and Frame, which is our digital desktop product. Both of these will really go and drag a lot of our core services that we've been selling for the last seven, eight years.

And I feel like these two could be very, very large in some sense. Obviously, Calm makes a lot of things sticky. We've even told the Calm developers to go and cannibalize Nutanix, if that's what it means actually, because if they build with such a mission, then they'll actually go and make money for their customers. It's not supposed to pay the strategy tax of Nutanix. It's supposed to pay the death of multi-cloud actually. So, they're doing a lot of work and orchestration and automation in the multi-cloud world that lets us look like a Switzerland in this multi-cloud world, going forward itself.

So, I think net-net, I would say these two products, Frame and Era will go drive a lot of our core services. And then these others, including Beam and Calm and Sherlock and Epoch, many of these will really take us to developers. That's the big goal of the company right now is let's only go to the developers, builders, as opposed to just IT operators.

That's the quest for this company in the coming three years is can we go and relate to them? Can we bring a lot of open source stuff to them? Because at the end of the day, that's what Amazon PaaS is all about. Amazon didn't build anything new; they just took a lot of open source Apache and CNCF stuff and made them into commercial services. So, there's a huge effort in really saying let's bring all of that with the kind of experience of hybrid that people have not yet seen.

Jason Ader

Does that put you against Citrix, a historical partner, a little bit on the Frame side?

Dheeraj Pandey

No, it's -- I'd say yes and no because they definitely have a very loyal customer base, especially in the Global 2000. And Frame is going with a very different mindset of let's deliver to a browser. And there's a lot of very large enterprises which will take a long time to really even think of digitally delivering a Windows experience to a browser itself.

And I think in the midmarket, we'll definitely go and really work with Citrix to figure out what does it mean to simplify our experience and their experience of Citrix cloud. There's a lot of work ahead between them and us. And I'm meeting their CEO soon, a couple of times next month.

And the whole goal is to not think of it as a zero-sum game. I mean, one thing, Jason, that we really thought hard about is, if you have a growth mindset, it's never a zero-sum game actually. And there's a way to really grow this market. I mean 65 million PCs a quarter, a billion PCs around the world. I mean, it's crying out loud for digitization, and nobody has done a good job operating it. So, I think there's a massive opportunity both for Citrix and for Nutanix to go and grow this market.

Jason Ader

Thank you.


Your next question comes from Aaron Rakers from Wells Fargo.

Aaron Rakers

Yes, thanks for taking the question. I do have a follow-up as well. Just building on the last kind of thoughts there, when I think about your $3 billion of billings target looking out to fiscal 2021 or I even think about your outline of investment or capital allocation around 70/20/10, and you think about that 10% of new products and services that should be accretive to the platform. What is the goalpost for you guys in terms of the contribution from them? If I think about that $3 billion, how much of that business do you think could be driven by that new set of product or services?

Dheeraj Pandey

Yes. So, maybe I'll take a stab and Duston, you should say the same actually. There's a part of me as an entrepreneur that says, prepare for the worst, be paranoid, these products will help you get to $3 billion at least. And the side of me that's optimistic that says, then if things are going well, then these new products will go and be accretive on top of the $3 billion. And so I think it's very early right now. I would rather play the conservative game and say that we have to assume that in a more noisy landscape, the market, these things are actually going to help us get to at least $3 billion with a good amount of effort.

Duston Williams

Yes, I think -- just to follow-on there a little bit, and it's a completely fair question, it might just be a little bit early -- an early fair question that -- and I think we mentioned in the script there that our next Investor Day, sometime in calendar 2019, we'll start to give you a feel for how we view our billings path for some of these products going forward.

Dheeraj Pandey

Also, I think one thing that we're doing -- at least thinking hard about is organizational design. But at the end of the day, all the strategy and writing code and delivering product is one thing.

But organizationally, planning-wise, GM structures and having these GMs think like CEOs, there's a lot of work that we've actually done in the last nine months. And we'll continue to have to do it in the next nine months to make sure that we really think of these individual products. But it's very easy to go and speak to salesforce, I was mentioning in my script. Just speak to sales force and say, why don't you just go and sell these new products. But what happens is they end up basically cannibalizing the core product and money just shifts from one pocket to the other. It's really, really easy to do that. But to really go and create new earth will take some real organizational design. And I mean we are learning a lot of good lessons on what not to do as well.

Aaron Rakers

Great. And then as a follow-up and more maybe architecturally, it seems like the storage market in general has got a healthy demand backdrop too. We've seen some healthy growth rates in the all-flash side, Pure Storage, NetApp, et cetera.

I'm just curious to how you see the architectural landscape playing out, where maybe you sit today versus where maybe an all-flash offering might sit in the equation of a data center deployment model? And whether or not you see that -- actually that you're starting to compete against one another architecturally more.

Dheeraj Pandey

Yes, it's a great question by the way. And in fact, when Jason was asking about one other product, I think I've missed talking about Nutanix Files. And Files is our fastest growing product in the history of this company basically. Without any kind of specialist salesforce and we barely have started the GM structure at Files itself, it's going to be a software-defined architecture, which means that in the Xi VPC, people can spin up their own filers without having to do anything with hardware. And that is at the core of our architecture, that we have made everything -- like you think of NetApp cloud volumes, its hardware sitting next to a data center of Google or Amazon or Azure.

But what does it mean to fuse it within the data center of these cloud providers? The only way you could do that is if it's pure software. To build these scale out architectures where people can spin them up with a click of a button with no human involvement, and that's what's really going to differentiate some of our offerings actually, where people are not dependent on proprietary hardware and NVRAM and all sorts of hardware assists to really get the best performance out. From day one, we have said commodity servers, rackmount and SSDs will serve the purpose of everything that required proprietary hardware up onto now.

Aaron Rakers

Thank you.


Your next question comes from Katy Huberty from Morgan Stanley.

Katy Huberty

Thank you. You hit your target around hardware runoff in the fourth quarter and yet you beat gross margin by 400 basis points. So, can you just talk about the contributors to that upside? And then I have a follow-up.

Duston Williams

Yes. I think if you look at the support margins, there's a little bit of increase there around a couple of points, probably quarter-over-quarter. The team did a nice job from a support perspective and the infrastructure and cost there.

And then even some of our internal operations costs were a little bit lower, which clearly helped too and then there are some other things around the fringe there. But pretty much, those are the driving factors anyway, Katy.

Katy Huberty

And you now have 710 Global 2000 customers. Can you continue to add 30 to 40 a quarter? Or is there a point where you have so much scale and penetration that the incremental adds on a quarterly basis will slow down?

Dheeraj Pandey

In our fiscal 2021 map, we have kept it at 30, 35. We'll obviously be adding more global account managers over time. There's a lot more segmentation to be had in this business. But many of our commercial account people will really be pulled up to become enterprise account managers. And many of the account managers -- enterprise account managers will become global account managers.

So, the more focus we bring to global accounts because maybe some -- for global account managers that have 10 accounts and probably they should only have four accounts. And so I think every year as a function of growth and scale, we'll start to segment and we'll start to really focus on product of DoD's account and so.

Katy Huberty

Thank you.


Our last question comes from Alex Kurtz from KeyBanc.

Alex Kurtz

Thanks. Thanks for the question. I won't have a follow-up, so I just have the last question here. So, as you implement the new software licensing model, I was just wondering, given what could be a big refresh in the installed base, I was wondering what the margin orders were going to be to the salesforce as far as approaching existing customers that might be primed to sort of expand their use cases and buy more software.

Are you going to maybe transition them into the new licensing model or leave some of those customers sort of in what they have today and just focus on new workloads? I'm just sort of wondering how you're going to navigate the installed base as you move to this new model.

Dheeraj Pandey

Yes, I think the goal is to have them think hard about portability. And especially as we go and come up with this idea of hybrid consumption, which is still early days. So, in the next 12 months, as Xi picks up, you'll see us really go and think hard about what is the hybrid contract going to look like and what would favor them the most in terms of the drag-and-drop experience between on-prem and off-prem.

So, I think it's probably a little early to say what kind of a model will follow. I mean, obviously, the big push is to go and tell them that, look, portability is a good thing. You want portable licenses. But I think in the next 12 months, as Xi picks up, we'll probably have a lot more clarity as well.

Alex Kurtz

All right. Thanks guys.


And that was our last question. At this time, I'd like to thank everyone for joining us today. This marks the end of the call. You may now disconnect.