Ironwood Pharmaceuticals, Inc. (IRWD) CEO Peter Hecht on Q4 2018 Results - Earnings Call Transcript

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Ironwood Pharmaceuticals, Inc. (NASDAQ:IRWD)

Q4 2018 Earnings Conference Call

February 13, 2019 08:30 AM ET

Company Participants

Meredith Kaya - VP, Investor Relations and Corporate Communications

Peter Hecht - Chief Executive Officer

Mark Mallon - Executive Senior Advisor

Thomas McCourt - SVP, Marketing & Sales and Chief Commercial Officer

Christopher Wright - Chief Development Officer & SVP of Global Development

Gina Consylman - SVP and Chief Financial Officer

Mike Shetzline - Chief Medical Officer, SVP and Head of Drug Development

Conference Call Participants

David Lebowitz - Morgan Stanley

Jason Zemansky - Barclays

Boris Peaker - Cowen & Company

Umer Raffat - Evercore ISI

Ying Huang - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Eric Joseph - J.P. Morgan

Edward Marks - H.C. Wainwright

Patrick Trucchio - Berenberg Capital Markets

Timothy Chiang - BTIG

Irina Koffler - Mizuho Securities

Operator

Good morning. My name is Emily and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Ironwood Pharmaceuticals Fourth Quarter and Full-Year 2018 Investor Update. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. Meredith Kaya, you may begin your conference.

Meredith Kaya

Good morning, and thanks for joining us for our fourth quarter and full-year 2018 investor update. Our press release crossed the wire earlier this morning and can be found on our website, www.ironwoodpharma.com.

Today's call and accompanying slides include forward-looking statements. Such statements involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially. A discussion of these statements and risk factors is available on the current Safe Harbor Statement slide as well as under the heading Risk Factors in our quarterly report on Form 10-Q for the quarter-ended September 30, 2018, and in our future SEC filings. All forward-looking statements speak as of the date of the presentation, and we undertake no obligation to update such statements.

Also included are non-GAAP financial measures which should be considered only a supplement to and not a substitute for or superior to GAAP measure. For reconciliation, please refer to the table at the end of our press release.

During today’s call, Peter Hecht will begin with an overview and an update on the company's planned separation. Mark Mallon will then provide comments on New Ironwood. Peter will follow to discuss Cyclerion and Gina Consylman will close by reviewing 2018 financial results and financial guidance. We’ve the management teams for both Ironwood and Cyclerion available for the question-and-answer portion of the call. We'll be referring to slides available via the webcast. For those of you dialing in, please go to the events section of our website to access the webcast slides.

With that, I'll turn it over to Peter.

Peter Hecht

Thanks, Meredith. And thank you all for joining us this morning. 2018 was a momentous year for Ironwood. We advanced our core business and we announced and work feverishly to prepare for the upcoming planned separation. We are now on the cusp of launching two independent publicly traded companies, each poise to deliver important medicines to patients and generate great value for shareholders.

We are going to take you through the operating highlights in a moment. But first I want to comment on the launch of the two new companies. Over the past several months, we made important progress towards setting both companies up for success. We recently named the CEOs and the leadership teams of both companies, and the Board of Directors.

We filed our first public Form 10 registration statement, and we’ve been engaging with a great group of current and new potential investors to participate in the financing and with Cyclerion intends to raise between $150 million and $200 million, which should provide Cyclerion with at least eight quarters of runway.

We plan to update you with additional details on this financing soon. Over the past 20 years, we brought LINZESS to millions of patients around the world and our drug hunting team has generated seven additional compounds in various stages of development that we believe have tremendous potential to change patients lives.

We are proud of the work that the team here has done to get to this point. We are very excited about the potential for both new companies.

With that, I will turn it over to my friend and colleague, Mark Mallon, who will be Ironwood CEO upon separation.

Mark Mallon

Thanks, Peter. Well today marks 40 days since I joined Ironwood. And I have to say I'm even more excited by the opportunities I see for the company to become a leading GI healthcare franchise. We’ve aligned on a clear set of priorities: grow LINZESS, accelerate our GI development portfolio, and begin generating cash and profit.

In its seventh year since launch, LINZESS continues to be the branded prescription market leader in its class, delivering strong top and bottom line growth. 2018 revenues grew 9% year-over-year to $761 million and total brand profitability grew nearly 20% to $445 million.

With millions of patients who can still benefit from LINZESS, I believe there is much more we can do with this brand. First, we are seeking to drive volume by capturing patients who were previously on prescription MiraLAX, which was withdrawn from the market in November of last year. And as you can see on the left hand of the slide, we saw clear break in LINZESS prescription growth at the end of 2018 with acceleration continuing in the first six weeks of 2019.

New prescription growth is up 14% so far in 2019 as compared to the 2018 year-on-year and in comparison to this time last year, new prescription growth was actually flat year-over-year. So we are very encouraged by the start.

Second, we expect data midyear from our Linaclotide Phase 3 beta trial that is exploring the effect of Linaclotide on abdominal symptoms including pain, bloating and discomfort. If these datas are positive, we intend to begin communicating them to patients as soon as possible.

Now turning to our second priority, our late stage pipeline. We’ve two promising and highly differentiated GI pipeline candidates, 3718 for persistent GERD and 7246 for abdominal pain associated with IBS-D. The 3718 Phase 3 trials continue to enroll well with data expected in the second half of 2020.

In these trials, we are evaluating the effect of 3718 on two of the most bothersome symptoms of persistent GERD, regurgitation and heartburn. The Phase 2 data with 3718 shows significant improvements in both symptoms. It's effect on heartburn in this trial was on the order of what was shown with PPIs over H2s. And with an estimated 10 million patients suffering from persistent GERD in the U.S., there was a clear opportunity for 3718 in this category.

With 7246, the extended-release from a Linaclotide we and Allegan are preparing to initiate a Phase 2b trial in the second quarter. There are approximately 16 million people suffering from IBS-D in the U.S with the majority of them suffering from frequent and severe abdominal pain. If this trial is successful, we will then have a product that we can evaluate across a full range of lower GI. diseases with abdominal pain as the predominant symptom.

Shifting now to our third priority. We're taking important steps to become a profitable cash generating company. In 2019, we expect to be profitable from continuing operations on a non-GAAP, which we plan and we plan to provide more guidance on the following complex completion of the separation.

Our ability to begin delivering on profitability is dependent in large part on driving revenue growth and expanding margins. And as we translate -- our position to becoming profitable, we expect to be better positioned to explore ways to strengthen our balance sheet and lower our overall cost of capital.

Additionally, we're taking actions to create a more effective and efficient operation. We announced this morning our decision to reduce our non-sales workforce by approximately 20%. This is a difficult decision, but one that after significant deliberation we felt it was necessary to make for the future of Ironwood, its patients and its shareholders.

In summary, we have three strong asset, a fantastic team and the capabilities we need to create tremendous value. Our first order business is the strength in our core. We must make sure we're doing everything we can to maximize LINZESS, deliver on our promising late stage development portfolio and post-separation to begin generating cash and profit.

With that, I will turn this back to you Peter, about all the exciting opportunities at Cyclerion.

Peter Hecht

Thanks, Mark. I’m super excited about the potential that Cyclerion has to generate value for patients and for shareholders. At the separation, Cyclerion is going to be a turbo-charge startup, advancing five differentiated programs for serious and orphan diseases.

We believe the potential for unlocking the full power of this sGC pathway comes from tailoring distinct sGC stimulators to tissues of greatest relevance to the diseases that they intend to treat. And our portfolio was designed to do just that. We expect four important pipeline catalysts in 2018, including readouts from three Phase 2 trials.

Olinciguat is a vascular once a day sGC stimulator that’s in Phase 2 development for the treatment of sickle cell disease. And praliciguat, our systemic sGC stimulator is currently being studied in two Phase 2 studies, one each in diabetic nephropathy and heart failure with preserved ejection fraction.

We just started a Phase 1 trial with 6463, the first CNS penetrant sGC stimulator to enter clinical trials, because 6463 readily crosses the blood brain barrier, we have an opportunity to expand the utility of sGC pharmacology into the treatment of serious neurodegenerative diseases.

We believe that nitric oxide plays a critical role in a number of CNS disease. And preclinical research demonstrates really exciting activity for 6463, including an increase in cerebral blood flow, improving neuronal health and function, reduce markers of neural inflammation and enhanced cognition.

The Phase 1 study is designed to provide safety, tolerability and PK data on single and multiple ascending doses of IW-6463. And importantly, we have the opportunity to explore translation of some of our preclinical results into the clinic with regard to CNS activity.

At Cyclerion, we’re going to have a very strong leadership team with great experience in prosecuting both the pharmacology of nitric oxide and the sGC pathway, and in allocating capital in R&D stage cap companies. The whole team is really fired up to launch shape and define this new company.

With that, I’m going to turn it over to Gina to discuss our 2018 financial performance and 2019 guidance.

Gina Consylman

Thanks, Peter, and good morning, everyone. Over the next few minutes I will be detailing our fourth-quarter and full-year financial highlights, performance against 2018 guidance and expected 2019 financial guidance. Please refer to our press release for the detailed financial information.

Ironwood revenues increased 39% year-over-year in the fourth quarter to $131 million and grew 16% in 2018 to $347 million. As Peter mentioned, revenues in 2018 were driven primarily by LINZESS sales growth and margin expansion and higher API sales to Astellas in Japan.

LINZESS U.S net sales were $205 million in the fourth quarter and $761 million for the full-year 2018. Total commercial profit in the fourth-quarter and full-year 2018 was $146 million and $503 million ending the year with a commercial margin of 66%.

Linaclotide API sales were $46 million during the fourth quarter and $70 million in full-year 2018. API sales were higher in the fourth quarter compared to previous quarters as Astellas continued to build inventory to support its launch. We expect API sales to continue to fluctuate quarterly.

Total operating expenses for the fourth quarter were $125 million, including $44 million in R&D and $58 million in SG&A. For the full-year 2018, total operating expenses were $586 million including $167 million in R&D and $241 million in SG&A.

A reminder that full-year 2018 operating expenses include the $150 million non-cash impairment of intangible assets recorded in the third quarter related to our lesinurad licensing agreement with AstraZeneca and $23 million in separation expenses.

We ended 2018 with $173 million in cash and investments. We demonstrated strong financial performance in 2018 meeting all of our financial guidance as you can see on the slide.

Regarding 2019, new Ironwood expects the following: total revenues to be in the range of $370 million to $390 million, including revenue from both LINZESS commercial contribution and API sales to Astellas. Net interest expense of approximately $35 million, total separation costs to be in the range of $30 million to $40 million and restructuring expenses related to the reduction in force announced today of approximately $3 million to $4 million.

Once Ironwood separate from Cyclerion, we expect the costs directly associated with Cyclerion to be reported as discontinued operations, and the results of the ongoing Ironwood business to be reported as continuing operations.

As Mark mentioned, we continue to expect Ironwood to be profitable from continuing operations in 2019 on a non-GAAP basis and plan to provide specific guidance at an Investor Update following the completion of our separation. We do anticipate incurring a net loss prior to the separation.

In summary, 2019 is an important year for Ironwood. We are on the cusp of separating these two very exciting companies each with distinct strategies, promising portfolios and experienced leadership teams, that position them both to become industry-leading business creating value -- businesses creating value for patients and shareholders alike.

With that, I will turn the call over to the operator to begin the Q&A portion of the call.

Question-and-Answer Session

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from the line of David Lebowitz from Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

David Lebowitz

Thank you very much for taking my question. I’ve a question on the prescriptions. I guess, are there still a sizable number of patients transitioning to 90-day prescriptions, or has this move generally slowed?

Peter Hecht

Tom?

Thomas McCourt

Sure. So, thanks, David. I think, one, it's been a nice opportunity that we’ve seen some near-term lifting. I think there's two components of this. One, certainly the patients that are no longer able to refill their generic prescription paid laxatives, which are up for grab and we’re clearly capturing a portion of those. With the other piece that we’re seeing in the marketplace, the markets in which it has eroded faster, is our growth is actually looks even more encouraging. So, the fact that it's no longer a prescription option, and the physician is choosing to pick prescription therapy, LINZESS is clearly a very attractive choice. So we see certainly an -- two opportunities. One, with regard to the patients kind of up for grabs in the near-term, but I think longer-term when a physician is choosing a prescription and option for patients in need, LINZESS is looking even more preferable. And we still have substantial opportunities, people to 90-day prescriptions. The majority of the prescriptions are not yet on 90, so still lots of room to grow the brand that way.

David Lebowitz

Thank you very much for that. One more question on IW-3718. Is it possible to gain approval for that based on the regurgitation data alone, or would some sort of reduction in pain or being a heartburn responder also be necessary?

Mark Mallon

So the primary endpoint on those studies is reduction in frequent heartburn. So that will be the basis of the approval of the drug. Regurgitation is an important secondary endpoint, which is in the statistical plan, and so you we're expecting to see a significant improvement in that. And with a positive on the primary endpoint, we would be able to communicate that to physicians.

David Lebowitz

Thank you very much.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Geoff Meacham from Barclays. Your line is open.

Jason Zemansky

Good morning, everyone. This is Jason on for Geoff. Thanks so much for taking the call. Just a quick question on the number of unique patients who have filled LINZESS prescriptions. It looks like the number was relatively flat quarter-over-quarter at $2.5 million. Just curious with regards to the number was there any -- some slowing up take or something that that kind of kept that number down? And then moving forward, you’ve talked at length of the opportunity of about 30 million to 40 million patients. What is this number kind of mean going forward? And when would you look for that overall number of unique patients to start to accelerate? Thank you.

Thomas McCourt

[indiscernible] to Tom. Thank you. Okay, let me break it up into a couple of pieces. First, with regard to year-over-year new patients. One thing to keep in mind is the size of the prescription is having a significant impact on the overall total RXs or new to brand or -- excuse me, total RX count, particularly new RX count. So as the size of the prescription is getting bigger, obviously, it suppresses somewhat the growth of the overall prescriptions. What we are seeing is a very dramatic improve -- increase in new to brand patients as we've seen really starting in December, looks like its carrying over into January. So it certainly looks like we're seeing an acceleration over the last couple of months with regard to new to brand patients. I think as far as the growth opportunity as we look forward, as Mark mentioned earlier, I think this is really all about driving demand. Finding new patients that we can motivate, that we haven't been able to motivate before, which is the real reason why we wanted to broaden our claim with regard to additional abdominal symptoms. I mean the challenge that we face in the marketplace is most patients don't actually identify with abdominal pain. They identify with bloating and discomfort. So having those claims within our messaging directly to consumers, we think we will have a significant upside and certainly accelerate growth. So as I think about where we are right now as the market leader, one, I agree with you, I think there's a tremendous opportunity in front of us. The level of patient physician satisfaction is at an industry high and we have really broad payer access and reimbursement. And our core strategy will be to drive demand.

Jason Zemansky

Got you. Thank you so much. That’s very helpful.

Mark Mallon

Thanks, Tom.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Boris Peaker from Cowen. Your line is open.

Boris Peaker

Great. Thanks for taking my questions. I’m just curious on 3718 study. Is there an interim analysis built into the study or we’ve to wait till the end to get any results?

Mark Mallon

I’m going to ask our New Head of R&D Mike Shetzline to answer that question. Mike?

Mike Shetzline

Yes, thanks. Currently there is no interim built into 3718 program and to your point, it's something we have been discussing back and forth, but that will take our discussion with the agency if we were to do that, but currently there's no interim.

Boris Peaker

Got you. And maybe a new -- just a general strategic question for Ironwood, specifically when you mentioned that obviously the goal for the company is to become profitable post the split. I’m just curious is the goal to maintain profitability for the foreseeable future in [indiscernible] or you mentioned that that you're also looking at acquisitions, and if you find something that you think is a fit, would you be willing to take on more expenses and risk and kind of forgo profitability in such scenario?

Peter Hecht

Our goal is clear to grow profit. We -- as I said, our priority is for use of capital are making sure we’re leaving no opportunities behind for LINZESS, that we're accelerating and maximizing the possibilities of our pipeline and moving as quickly as we can to get -- getting positive cash flow and profits. And the plan is to continue to grow profits over time. And we haven't really commented -- at least I haven't really commented yet on sort of what our view on business development. That’s [indiscernible] for the days ahead for me.

Boris Peaker

Got you. And just my last question. For praliciguat, for the diabetic nephropathy data later this year, what do you need to see to consider that study a success and justify future development?

Thomas McCourt

So thanks for the question. So we’re currently undertaking a Phase 2 study in diabetic nephropathy with praliciguat. It's a two doses randomized control trial compared to placebo and we anticipate the data to come in the second half of this year. The primary endpoint is UACR or the amount of urine protein in the -- protein in the urine. And we'd expect probably 20% or greater effect to have a go forward there, but as mentioned earlier, this is going to be a program that we will be partnering. And so it will -- we will be looking at the entire package of data with potential partners to decide about how that might move forward.

Boris Peaker

Great. Thank you for taking my question.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Umer Raffat from Evercore ISI. Your line is open.

Umer Raffat

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to focus on a couple of things. One, how do you think about Trulance possibly enhance the [indiscernible] portfolio, improving the rebating structure and the commercial dynamic [indiscernible] of LINZESS? And secondly, I know the 3Q [indiscernible] talked about the 59 million negative adjustment in net sales as communicated to you by your partner. My question was what prompted that new audit in the first place and perhaps if you could speak to what your auditor was telling you versus what that auditors [indiscernible] what the difference etcetera? Thank you very much.

Peter Hecht

So I think we will have Tom answer the first question and then Gina will take the second question. Tom?

Thomas McCourt

Yes, I think -- again, as a market our focus will continue to be on growing and capturing the market as well as continue to differentiate our brand, having us more situation where we have three doses and they have one and in order to really increase efficacy they got to double their -- the volume of products that or double the dose which doubles the price which is an attractive thing to do if you’re payer. And -- but third, we’ve always said from the very beginning payer access is critical success. I think what we've seen previously is the competitor that has been aggressive in pricing with the payer. But that has not been able to gain a foothold in the marketplace. I think we’re going to have to wait and see what -- how things transition and how [indiscernible] tends to move their strategy forward. But obviously we're in a situation where there continues to be a lot of opportunity out there, a lot of growth, but obviously we’re going to continue to see some pricing pressure as we move forward. But I think we will just have to see how they want to proceed.

Peter Hecht

Gina?

Gina Consylman

Sure. This is Gina. I can take the second part of the question. I don't really have a new update from what we repeat or said earlier in our Q3 update and that’s we do have a standard process where we conduct collaboration audits with our partner on a regular basis. This is not our first one. This is just a standard process of our internal controls because the LINZESS net sales are reported by Allegan and our financial statements are materially impacted by the LINZESS financials -- the LINZESS calculation. So we do a standard calculation this time around. It was a more significant adjustment that we were expecting. But the good news is that we have been working very closely with Allergan and we have aligned on a more frequent reconciliation process, that hopefully will not even rise the level of an audit adjustment to this magnitude in the future. And that process will begin in 2018.

Umer Raffat

Thank you so much.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Ying Huang from Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open.

Ying Huang

Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. The first one is on the API sales. So we understand why you see a big bump up given the launch by Astellas, but how should we think about 2019 considering that AstraZeneca will launch in China? Would that also add to that revenue line? Any color would be helpful on that. And then, secondly, I want to ask about the need for capital given your cash balance as of last quarter. Do you feel there's additional need for the new Ironwood, given the non-GAAP profitability? You don't think there's any need to raise additional capital? Thank you.

Peter Hecht

So thanks for the questions. So regarding Japan and the guidance for this year from an API sales, I don’t think we've actually provided guidance, but it's still in -- our sales is still in the early phases of the launch. They’re going to continue to -- I think to some building of inventory. So the API sales will leave the demand sales and then will continue to be volatility from a quarter-to-quarter basis. But we’re encouraged by the demand that we are seeing in Japan and the commitment that Astellas is showing. In terms of China, we're very excited to hear the news that that it was approved. There is a process, but it will take several months to get sort of final pricing and everything in place for a launch. So they don’t -- we wouldn't expect to see significant sales in 2019. A very big opportunity longer-term with 16 million patients potentially being have an opportunity that are suffering from chronic -- from IBS and IBS-C and could potentially it have access to healthcare and could potentially benefit from LINZESS. But that will take a little bit of time to get reimbursement in place and start to build that market.

Gina Consylman

I just want to add one comment on AstraZeneca, that final launch. The economics of the China arrangement are more similar to the Allergan collaboration arrangement that we have. And we will not be selling API at a significant -- at a markup like we do with the Astellas arrangement.

Peter Hecht

Oh, yes, the -- we don’t envision a need at this time to be raising capital because the business is going to be profitable from 2019, and our focus will be making sure that we're generating cash and profit and growing that over time. Of course, opportunities and conditions change, so we will respond if needed, but that’s not in our plan today. Does that answer your questions?

Ying Huang

Very helpful. Thank you.

Peter Hecht

Thanks.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Eric Joseph from J.P. Morgan. Your line is open.

Eric Joseph

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. Just wondering how you are thinking about sort of longer-term commercial margins for LINZESS with any incremental investment from marketing to abdominal symptom claims? I guess, specifically how you are thinking about it. At this point, the peak commercial margin potential of the product. And on IW-3718, I’m just curious what your latest thinking is around the potential for a partnership and whether it's realistic at this point to think about a partnership announcement ahead of Q3 data? Thanks.

Peter Hecht

So thanks for the -- both questions. So we’re excited about the abdominal symptoms claim. I think we have the significant investment behind brand today. I've thoroughly reviewed both the consumer and the sales force investments, and I think the order of magnitude is right. We will stand ready if we see -- yes, increase -- sorry, there's some noise in the room, apologies if you heard that. But we stand ready if we see increases in promotion responsiveness that will allow us to do more than we will do more. So basically we're well-positioned to launch ABC at the ABS new data. We have the right resources in place and we will monitor it closely. If there's opportunity to do more, we will do it. In regards to partnership for 3718, I think I’m not ready to comment on that at this point. We will be -- we are -- we will be in discussions about partnering certainly internationally, but it's premature to give any guidance on that at this point.

Eric Joseph

Got it. Thanks for taking the question.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Raghuram Selvaraju from H.C. Wainwright. Your line is open.

Edward Marks

Hi. This is Edward Marks on for Ram. I just want to know if there are any notable similarities between the Japanese and the Chinese markets and how these might affect the trajectory in China?

Mark Mallon

So there -- this is Mark. There are some pretty significant differences between the two markets, primarily in the reimbursement. So in Japan basically pricing and reimbursement is almost from the beginning of approval and launch. And so there's a potential to really accelerate and gain sales quickly. In China, although they’ve made substantial improvements in their reimbursement process that have accelerated, it still takes longer to do that. It's not just about getting reimbursement nationally, you actually also have to get -- ultimately get the reimbursement approval at province level. And so it takes time to follow that through and enroll it out across the provinces. I should say from a disease perspective, IBS-C, it's in line with that we see in the rest of the world in both Japan and China. So it's a very significant unmet need in patients and so we are excited about both, but the timing of the benefits will be a bit different.

Edward Marks

Okay. And how are the royalties on net sales generated from AstraZeneca be booked in China?

Mark Mallon

Gina?

Gina Consylman

The arrangement that we have with China is a collaboration. It is very similar to what we’ve in the U.S with Allergan where really the only difference is in the U.S., we share the profits and losses 50-50 with AstraZeneca in China, it's 45-55, up into a certain threshold. So assume 45% of the losses will be recorded in our financial statements initially.

Edward Marks

Okay. Thank you. And then just on the split in general, can you provide any guidance on some of the R&D budgets you’re projecting for both Ironwood and Cyclerion? And whether Ironwood will have any future obligations towards Cyclerion in terms of R&D costs, reimbursement milestones, those kind of things?

Gina Consylman

Sure. I’m going to take the first part of that. So we are -- we’ve committed to providing additional guidance once we are able to separate. And one of the reasons that we’re delaying that guidance and now providing it today is just because of the distinction I was trying to make in my part of the script between continued operations and continuing operations. And while we expect to separate during the first half of 2019, the exact date of that is not solidified at this point and it will change the profitability and the timing and the reporting of our financial statements based on that exact split date. So that’s why we’re not providing the incremental guidance right now. Related to -- on the Cyclerion side on the R&D, just to see if we can give you a little bit of color related to projections, you could take a look at our public Form 10 that was filed last month and it would give you an indication of at least on a historical basis what Cyclerion has been spending.

Edward Marks

Okay. Thank you. I appreciative all the clarity.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Patrick Trucchio from Berenberg Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Patrick Trucchio

Great. Thanks. Good morning. I just had a few follow-ups on 3718. So on the Phase 2b, the primary was the percent change from baseline at week eight -- in weekly heartburn severity. And then the Phase 3, the primary is the proportion of overall heartburn responders at week eight. So few questions on this. First, can you remind us why the primary was -- is changed or is different in the Phase 3 compared to the Phase 2? And can you give us some context around your discussions with the agency that led to the change? Secondly, in the Phase 2, how was the 45% reduction in weekly heartburn severity determined to be clinically meaningful? And is this definition consistent in the Phase 3 study? And then lastly, in the Phase 2 study, I believe the differential placebo on the heartburn responder endpoint was nearly 16%. Is that what we should expect next year -- in the second half of next year in the Phase 3 study? Thank you.

Thomas McCourt

We are going to have Chris answer your questions since Mike is even newer than I’m. So Chris?

Christopher Wright

Hi. That’s right. So I think your first question was around the primary endpoint. So the primary endpoint was discussed with the FDA and as in the part -- in the process of developing the compound into Phase 2, we had discussions about developing a responder criteria for our Phase 3 study. So until you actually do the study and look at the data its uncertain what the proper response criteria would be. And so we utilized our Phase 2 study to determine that and so we -- and that's why we had a different primary endpoint, because we need to do a study to determine exactly how it would utilize the responder criteria as a primary endpoint for Phase 3 in terms of the degree of change and how that -- how we determined that was meaningful. So through the course of the study in the Phase 2 study, we ask a number of different questions and we relate those questions to what the patients considered to be meaningful improvements in their symptoms. And based on that we're able to define what percent of heartburn change is considered to be clinically meaningful and we review that with the FDA as well and they agreed with that percent change that we described, the 45% reduction. And then lastly in terms of the magnitude of the effect. So I would expect we would have a similar magnitude. I mean there are some changes that were made in the study to try to enhance our likelihood of success and enhance the strength of the effect to make sure that we reduce the variance as much as possible. So I think it's -- we're likely to see similar types of effects. We're hopeful that some of the changes that we made will make the part of the study even better power than the Phase 2 study.

Mark Mallon

I think I just like to add a couple of sort of bigger picture perspective having reviewed the data from the study and also the Phase 3 design. We've got absolutely all of the data that if something in the study is positive that we need to be able to communicate the benefits, potential benefits of 3718 to both physicians and patients. The concept of having the -- a technical definition of heartburn that really captures the change that’s occurring most consistently that the FDA is comfortable as a primary, and then having critical secondaries like regurgitation, like reduction in heartburn or reduction in heartburn free days or increasing heartburn free days, those types of endpoint in the secondary are there and we will be able to leverage them in a communication. So I’m very confident that if the study reads out positively and we're confident in the study that we’re going to be able to do everything we need to do communicate the benefits of physicians and patients.

Patrick Trucchio

That’s helpful. Thank you very much.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Tim Chiang from BTIG. Your line is open.

Timothy Chiang

Hi. Thanks. So around the topic of 3718, maybe I wanted to just go back to your Phase 3 study enrollment, how many -- it seems like in the Phase 2b study you had such good results in patients that were bravo positive. How are you guys looking at enrollment in terms of those types of patients in the Phase 3 study?

Mark Mallon

So the Phase 3 study actually we've as Chris was alluding to, requiring all patients to be both bravo positive and to have signs of erosive esophagitis. So we saw benefits in -- the most benefit in these patients, but -- and we really want to make sure that we're confirming that these patients have acid reflux disease and that’s the best way to do that.

Mark Mallon

I just want to be clear, because I’m not sure it's got to be -- they have to be bravo positive. They may or may not have a [multiple speakers] they’re not required to have erosive esophagitis to be in the [multiple speakers]. But it was important to include them and this is a long discussion with the FDA because of the range of patients that are likely to get the drug whether they’re non-erosive or erosive, but suffering from frequent heartburn, that we encompass all of those. The exciting news for us which was very consistent with what we saw with PPI responders was the fact that people that had a baseline erosion had a greater magnitude of benefit over placebo. And so the fact that we're eliminating functional heartburn by making sure all patients are bravo positive and making sure that we have this diverse GERD population, I think we feel very, very good about the trial design and I think FDA was very collaborative in finalizing that with us.

Timothy Chiang

Okay, great. And I just had one follow-up for Peter on the Cyclerion pipeline. Obviously, there are a number of companies trying to find a treatment in sickle cell disease. It's certainly high -- there is certainly a high unmet medical need. Just wanted to sort of go back to the mechanism of action for olinciguat and how you think this product could potentially significantly alter the treatments that are out there or aren't any, but how do you think olinciguat could benefit these patients potentially?

Peter Hecht

Thanks, Tim. We agree there's a tremendous unmet need in sickle cell, the terribly underserved market and we’re very excited about the pharmacology of olinciguat and the potential for to help patients. Chris, will follow on a little bit on the mechanism and the study design?

Christopher Wright

Sure. Sure. Hi, Tim. It's Chris. Thanks for the question. So we do believe there is a great opportunity in sickle cell disease. There's still very high unmet need there. And in particular if you kind of look at the symptom domains in sickle cell disease, there's many of them that remain very underserved and particular the daily symptoms and also organ damage which are something that really people end up dying from and it's a cause of mortality. So, and then the therapies that are there that are currently there or that are being developed sort of only target one or another of the symptom domains, but not that broader range of symptom domains or some target anemia, some target BOC [ph], but they don't target the overarching symptomatology and clinical features of the disease. So we believe there is very high unmet need there and we believe that our mechanism is a really great mechanism for there. So as you probably know sickle cell disease is a NO deficiency disease, where cells hemolyze the heme and they basically binds to nitrous oxide and causes a reduction in its level. You also can't produce nitric oxide because arginase also spills out of red blood cells and that prevents the production of NO. And many of the consequences of the disease of sickling and hemolysis, the downstream consequences are directly related, we believe to NO deficiency. So basically the increased vascular inflammation and vasoconstriction, decreased blood flow, those are all directly related to NO deficiency and we believe with olinciguat, we can reverse those effects. And so we find it a very nice match between the several elements of the pathophysiology and the way in which our sGC stimulator olinciguat which targets the vessels in the highly profused organs act. You have other question, Tim or …?

Timothy Chiang

Maybe just one last question on the study. Are you guys fully enrolled with the olinciguat study? I know there's quite a few studies that’s been ongoing in sickle cell, and not that many patient.

Peter Hecht

Sure. So as you know it's a randomized controlled trial of three different doses of olinciguat compared to placebo. It's a 12-week study. Olinciguat has been dosed once-daily. And the study is in the process of enrollment currently and we expect to have data in the second half of this year.

Timothy Chiang

Okay, great. Thanks.

Peter Hecht

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Irina Koffler from Mizuho. Your line is open.

Irina Koffler

Hi. Thanks for taking the question. I just wanted to get a little bit more details on that guidance for next year, the revenue guide. Is there any milestone payments included in that guidance or is that potential upside? And maybe have you broken out any API or anything else within that estimate? Thanks very much.

Gina Consylman

Hi, Irina. This is Gina. We have not included any milestone in the guidance. It does include both LINZESS collaboration revenue and API sales. We continue to believe that the API sales will fluctuate quarterly, and they will be flat to down next year.

Irina Koffler

Thank you.

Operator

And that is all the time we have for questions today. I will turn it back over to Peter for closing remarks.

Peter Hecht

Thank you all very much for participating this morning and for listening in. As always, we're available to take your questions throughout the day. And if you have follow-up questions, please coordinate through Meredith Kaya. Her information is on the press release. Thanks again. Have a great day.

Operator

And this does conclude today's conference call. You may now disconnect.