Bain Capital Specialty Finance' (BCSF) CEO Michael Ewald on Q1 2019 Results - Earnings Call Transcript

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Bain Capital Specialty Finance, Inc. (NYSE:BCSF) Q1 2019 Earnings Conference Call May 9, 2019 9:00 AM ET

Company Participants

Michael Ewald – President and Chief Executive Officer

Sally Dornaus – Chief Financial Officer

Mike Boyle – Vice President and Treasurer

Conference Call Participants

Ryan Lynch – KBW

Sam Choe – Credit Suisse

Arren Cyganovich – Citi

Fin O’Shea – Wells Fargo

Derek Hewett – Bank of America Merrill Lynch


Greetings. Welcome to the Bain Capital Specialty Finance First Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this conference is being recorded.

I will now turn the conference over to your host, Sloane Bowen [ph] Investor Relations. Mr. Bowen, you may begin.

Unidentified Company Representative

Thank you. Good morning. Last night we issued our earnings press release and presentation of our quarterly results, a copy of which is available on Bain Capital Specialty Finance Investor Relations’ website. Following our remarks today, we will hold a question-and-answer session for analysts and investors. This call is being webcast and a replay will be available on our website. This call and webcast are the property of Bain Capital Specialty Finance and any unauthorized broadcast in any form is strictly prohibited.

Any forward-looking statements made today do not guarantee future performance and actual results may differ materially. These statements are based on current management expectations, which include risks and uncertainties, which are identified in the Risk Factors’ section of our annual report and Form 10-K. That could cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated.

Bain Capital Specialty Finance assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements at this time unless required to do so by law. Lastly, past performance does not guarantee future results.

And with that I’ll turn the call over to our President and Chief Executive Officer, Michael Ewald.

Michael Ewald

Good morning and thank you for joining us for our first quarter 2019 earnings call. As Sloane mentioned, my name is Michael Ewald and today I’m joined by our Vice President and Treasurer, Mike Boyle; and our Chief Financial Officer, Sally Dornaus.

As we discussed on our inaugural public earnings call last quarter, our goal for BCSF is consistent with Bain Capital Credit’s senior direct lending strategy, which is to generate superior risk adjusted returns through rigorous underwriting that leverages the breadth and depth of the full Bain Capital Credit team. And that seeks to identify investments with first or second liens against collateral and strong credit structures that insulate us as lenders and you as shareholders.

As most of you know, Bain Capital Credit is the debt investing arm of Bain Capital, a large privately held alternative asset manager with over $100 billion of assets under management. The credit business represents over $39 billion of those assets and the Private Credit Group, which I head and which includes BCSF, manages over $7 billion.

The credit business was founded in 1998 and has been investing in the middle market, which we define as companies with $10 million to $150 million of EBITDA, since its inception. At the end of the first quarter 2019 BCSF’s portfolio represented $1.8 billion invested across 32 different industries and 133 portfolio companies, with a current and weighted average yield of 8.8%.

Approximately 82% of our portfolio is invested in what we refer to as first dollar risk. 64% of that is in traditional first lien loans with another 18% in unitranche loans through our ABCS partnership with Antares Capital. So much for the last quarter we continue to have no nonaccruing loans in our portfolio.

As you’ll recall we received shareholder approval in February to reduce the company’s required minimum asset coverage req from 200% to 150%. Further to this point, on Monday we announced that we completed the consolidation of our interests in the ABCS unitranche joint venture onto our balance sheet on April 30, 2019. We believe this change is in the best interest of our shareholders and a recognition of the success of the program to date.

I would like to provide some additional background on the rationale for this decision. First, given the reduced asset coverage requirement provided under the SBCAA, we believe the utility of an off balance sheet financing vehicle for these assets has been diminished.

Second, as we outlined in our press release and 8-K consolidating the assets and liabilities of our interests in the JV onto our balance sheet removes our equity interest in ABCS from the 30% non-qualifying basket of our assets, the threshold that we have nearly been limited by in the past, and places these qualifying assets onto our balance sheet. Freeing up this capacity allows us the ability to grow other investment opportunities that would fall into the 30% bucket.

In particular, we intend to continue to invest in deals sourced by our European and Australian offices, improving the geographic diversification of the portfolio. In addition, we may continue to expand into other strategic partnerships within the direct lending realm. Both of these initiatives, we believe, will provide attractive risk adjusted returns for our investors.

Third, as you may recall, Bain Capital Specialty Finance has received exempted relief from the SEC, allowing us to invest alongside other funds and other accounts managed by Bain Capital Credit. Following the consolidation of our interests in the JV other Bain Capital Credit funds and accounts will be able to invest alongside the program in unitranche loans.

Given the success of the program and our view of where we see risk adjusted returns that are attractive, we believe the ability to speak for a larger hold sizes; currently, the program can speak for loans of up to about $350 million; will allow us to lead some bigger deals, while still influencing terms and conditions.

Lastly, we plan for this transaction to be fee neutral for our shareholders. As you’ll recall, we already amended our annual base management fee from 1.5% to 1% on any amount of assets attributable to leverage that decreases the company’s asset coverage ratio below 200%. Furthermore, we intend to waive management fees on assets acquired in conjunction with the ABCS joint venture consolidation throughout 2019.

As of the end of the first quarter our debt to equity leverage ratio increased to 0.9x compared to 0.75x at the end of 2018. Mike Boyle will provide some additional color on our debt and liability management.

We are also pleased to announce that our Board of Directors has approved a $50 million company sponsored share repurchase program. Under the new program we can repurchase up to $50 million of outstanding common stock in the open market. We believe this program could be an effective approach to driving shareholder returns and is a further demonstration of our commitment to shareholder alignment.

Before I turn the call over to Sally and Mike to go through our financial results and investment activity, let me comment briefly on the market environment and what we’re seeing there.

Following the volatility experienced in the fourth quarter, the broadly syndicated loan market, one of our reference markets, retraced part of its decline, returning to 96.4 at the end of March from a low of 94 at the end of December and a baseline of 98.6 as of September 2018.

In comparison to the fourth quarter where financing activity continued; albeit at wider spreads, given the long timeline for existing deals in the pipeline; activity slowed in the beginning of the first quarter as participants took stock and reevaluated market consensus.

For us, this trend manifested itself as strong net new fundings in January and February for net repayments in March. Mike Boyle will also provide greater detail on our originations. But looking forward, our pipeline of investment opportunities remains robust.

Now, on to Sally.

Sally Dornaus

Thank you Mike and good morning everyone. We are pleased to report our first quarter 2019 results. Our net investment income was $21.2 million or $0.41 per share for the first quarter of 2019, which is an increase in net investment income of 7% compared to the fourth quarter of 2018 net investment income of $19.8 million. The quarter-over-quarter increase is due to total investment income increasing approximately $6.2 million or 18% from $33.7 million to $39.9 million as we rotated out of lower yielding assets to higher yielding assets replacing investments having a weighted average yield of 7.7% with investments having a weighted average yield of 8.4%.

Our GAAP earnings per share for the first quarter of 2019 were $0.76 per share compared to negative $0.21 per share for the fourth quarter of 2018. This quarter-over-quarter increase was driven by the net change in unrealized appreciation of $15.3 million and net realized gains of $2.8 million. Driven by the partial rebound we experienced that Mike mentioned.

Our total expenses for the quarter increased $4.6 million to approximately $18.6 million compared to $14 million in the fourth quarter. Included in this is interest expense that increased due to our usage of our credit facilities as we continue to grow our portfolio in Q4 2018 rolling into Q1 2019 from $7.9 million to $10.5 million.

Additionally, as announced on February 19th, the company entered into a new $350 million credit facility at LIBOR plus 1.60% with Citibank.

Our advisor voluntarily waived its right to receive the base management fee in excess of 1% and waived a portion of the incentive fee. For the three months ended March 31 our management and incentive fee, net of waivers, was $4.5 million and $2.1 million, respectively, compared to a management fee and incentive fee, net of waivers, of $3 million and $2.2 million for the three months ended December 31, 2018.

In addition, I would like to reiterate that we amended our advisory agreement, which now includes an incentive fee cap and a three-year look back provision, which took effect on January 1, 2019.

Moving over to our balance sheet. As of March 31, our investment portfolio at fair value totaled $1.8 billion. The yields on the portfolio increased slightly quarter-over-quarter.

The weighted average portfolio yields was 8.8%, and the weighted average portfolio yields excluding our ABCS investment was 7.8% as of March 31, 2019.

Moving to the right side of the balance sheet. Total net assets were $1 billion as of March 31. NAV per share was $19.81 compared to $19.41 in the fourth quarter. The increase was primarily due to the net realized and unrealized gains during the period.

As of March 31, we had total principal debt outstanding of $917 million comprised of Goldman Sachs and Citibank credit facilities along with our 2018-1 notes. Our debt-to-equity ratio inclusive of trade payables was 0.92x, which is an increase from the fourth quarter of 0.75x.

As previously announced on February 1, we received stockholder approval for a reduced asset coverage requirement from 200% to 150% effective February 2. As my Mike Ewald mentioned, and Mike Boyle will detail further in his remarks, this provides us the ability to restructure our ABCS joint venture and consolidate the results in our consolidated financial statements as announced on May 6.

Finally, we are pleased to announce that our Board declared a second quarter dividend of $0.41 share. The second quarter dividend is payable on July 29, 2019 to stockholders of record on June 28, 2019.

I appreciate your time and attention. I will now turn the call over to Mike Boyle, our Vice President and Treasurer, to walk through our investment portfolio and ABCS’ restructure in more detail.

Mike Boyle

Thanks, Sally. Good morning, everyone. I’ll start by spending a few minutes reviewing our first quarter activity. And I will also provide an overview of our current investment portfolio and our views on construction, including our recently announced ABCS JV consolidation. Lastly, I’ll provide some more detail about our liabilities, including our current financing facilities and liquidity resources.

In the first quarter, we invested approximately $276 million across 16 new portfolio companies. During the same period, we realized approximately $192 million through repayments and realization. This net investment pace of $83 million is reflective of the first quarter investment environment. Our investment pace in the first quarter slowed somewhat as many processes launched later than expected due to volatility at year end.

While still early on, we’ve seen good momentum and heading into the second quarter, having funded over $60 million in new originations in early April. It is our expectation that as markets continue to find equilibrium, new loan volume will continue to increase.

As of the end of the first quarter, the fair value of our investments was $1.8 billion versus $1.7 billion at December 31, 2018. In terms of composition, 82% of our portfolio is invested in first lien loans. This includes our equity investments through ABCS, where the portfolio consists of first lien unitranche loans to middle market businesses.

Pro forma for the consolidation of our interests, first lien loans would have comprised 86% of the portfolio as of March 31, 2019. Our focus on constructing a portfolio with primarily first dollar risk reflects our current views that we are late in the credit cycle.

We believe that the best way to mitigate downside risk as a lender in today’s economy is to prioritize investments representing that first dollar risk in capital structures, maintain strong lender protections like covenants. 82% of the current portfolio has financial maintenance covenants.

We also seek to retain effective voting control of the debt tranches we’re invested in, and favor industries that do not cycle with the broader economy. Our top three industry exposures are high tech, aerospace and defense, and business services.

Diversification is a central tenant of our portfolio with 133 companies in that portfolio as of Q1, 2019. In our hunt for attractive risk return, we look at developed economies across the globe to drive investment ideas. Currently, 9% of the portfolio is invested across Europe with a current focus in the U.K., Ireland, and Scandinavia.

These investments are sourced from our London office, which was established in 2002, and our Dublin office established in 2014. With the breadth of Bain Capital Credit, we are constantly evaluating the attractiveness of the U.S. direct lending market relative to others, and capitalizing on these global opportunities within the confines of the 30% non-qualifying asset bucket permitted for the BDC.

Turning to yields. The weighted average growth yield of our investments was 8.8% at quarter end, compared to 8.7% on December 31, 2018, with 96.1% of investments in floating rate debt, and 3.9% in fixed rate. We believe our focus on floating rate assets positions the company well for various interest rate environments.

From a portfolio quality perspective, there were no investments on non-accrual status at quarter end. We rate the investments in our portfolio at least quarterly on a scale of one to four, with one being the highest possible risk rating and four the lowest.

As of quarter end, 99% of our portfolio fair value was rated a one or a two, reflecting that the majority of our portfolio continues to perform in line or above our expectations and underwrite.

Over the course of the first quarter, our marks on the portfolio largely recovered in line with our reference markets, reflecting tightening spreads in the broadly syndicated loan and high yields markets.

More specifically, the average price of a loan in BCSF’s portfolio was marked up by 75 basis points over the quarter, from an average price of 97.4, up to 98.1. We would expect to see continued recoveries in our marks, should our reference markets continue to move toward their longer-term average levels.

As Mike mentioned earlier, on Monday, we announced the consolidation of our interests in the ABCS JV on to our balance sheet on April 30, 2019. We believe this changed in the best interests of our shareholders and a recognition of the success of the program to date, and we are – and well aligned with our focus on constructing a senior focused portfolio.

As previously highlighted, from a portfolio construction and regulatory perspective, given the reduced asset coverage requirement provided by the SBCAA, we believe the utility of an off balance sheet financing vehicle produced assets have been diminished. Further to this point, it is our belief that we can utilize our 30% non-qualifying basket in a manner that drives greater value to shareholders.

We intend to use this capacity to further pursuit two discrete investment objectives currently underway. First, we believe greater geographic diversification from Europe and Australia will provide a source of differentiated return. Second, over the long-term, we continue to believe strategic partnerships to be an effective approach to accessing strong risk adjusted return, and may seek to explore further opportunities in that segment.

We plan for this transaction to be fee neutral for shareholders. Therefore we intend to waive management fees on incremental assets acquired in conjunction with the ABCS JV consolidation throughout 2019.

Lastly, I’ll provide some pro forma metrics to give you a greater sense of the earnings power of the BDC, following the consolidation. Based on the company’s financial standing at quarter end the total fair value of our investment portfolio with our consolidated ABCS interest would have been $2.4 billion across 133 portfolio companies.

The weighted average yields of the debt assets on balance sheet increases as a result of the transaction by 20 basis points from 7.8% to 8.0%. The leverage profile of the company would have been approximately 1.4 pro forma for the consolidation, within our target leverage range of 1 to 1.5.

Turning to the liabilities of the company, at quarter end the company had $917 million in principal debt outstanding. As a ratio to the net asset value of the company, our leverage ratio was 0.92x, which includes trade payables.

To this end, as we have sought to construct a long dated floating rate liability profile that is well aligned with our investment strategy, in October 2017, we closed a revolving credit facility with Goldman Sachs, which provides us flexibility and liquidity to meet the ongoing funding needs of the company.

September 2018, we issued the 2018-1 note through BCC middle market CLO 2018-1, accessing the securitization market for the first time by BCSF. We believe that CLO and securitization market provides compelling financing solutions as we look to diversify our funding sources given elongated maturity profile, low weighted average cost of debt, and attractive financing terms that can be found in that market.

We are uniquely positioned to access the CLO market with Bain Capital Credit managing 40 CLOs over the course of the last 20 years.

As discussed last quarter, on February 19, 2019, we closed a new $350 million credit facility with Citibank as the administrative agent priced at LIBOR plus 1.60%.

Lastly, subsequent to quarter end, in conjunction with the recent ABCS JV transaction, we entered into a $667 million credit facility with J.P, Morgan. The same facility previously utilized for ABCS unitranche loans.

Taken in whole, we believe we have provided a solid foundation for the company to operate within our target leverage profile and are pleased with our continued progress in constructing a well diversified funding base.

Lastly, as Mike mentioned, our Board of Directors approved a new $50 million share repurchase program. Following the IPO and the full utilization of the $20 million 10b5-1 program provided by our advisor and its affiliate it was our and our Board’s shared view that a company sponsored share repurchase program can be an effective tool to drive shareholder returns.

We expect to utilize both programmatic 10b5-1 and discretionary 10b18 components so that we’re well positioned to drive value when the trading price of our shares does not reflect the intrinsic value of our company. We have provided further details on the program in our SEC filings.

With that I will turn the call back over to Mike for closing remarks.

Michael Ewald

Thanks Mike. To conclude we had a solid quarter and believe we’re taking further steps to position the company with the best possible foundations to drive shareholder value.

While we recognize that we’re at the beginning of a new journey as a public company, we believe our investment and portfolio construction decisions are well informed by the experience of the many investment and operating professionals at Bain Capital Credit who have navigated multiple market cycles. I would also like to take a minute to thank our investors for their support, many of you have been with us since well before our IPO last fall, and we simply like to note our appreciation and indeed our excitement about what we believe we can do with the BCSF platform and investing strategy as a public company.

I’d like to thank you for your time today. Omar, please open the line for questions.

Question-and-Answer Session


[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Ryan Lynch, KBW. Please proceed with your question.

Ryan Lynch

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Just the first one on the fee waivers through 2019 on assets bought over from the JV. I calculate about $890 million would be consolidated as of March 31. Can you give an updated number as – for the consolidation on April 30?

Michael Ewald

So the number still rolls forward to that $890 million through April for the consolidation.

Ryan Lynch

Okay. And then I just – I guess my one follow up and then I’ll hop back in the queue. With the consolidation of this you mentioned, I calculated about 1.45x leverage, you guys just provided a target leverage range of 1 to 1.5, so you guys are operating at that upper end of that range. So can you just talk about what are your guys’ capital plans and fundings look like going forward?

Michael Ewald

Sure so, we’re definitely at the top end of the range. And we’re still comfortable in that range because if you think about our portfolio, again it’s mostly based on first lien loans, 82% of it is first dollar risk. I think if we were flipped and we had 20% first dollar risk and 80% in more second lien type securities, I think you’ll probably see us operating at the lower end of that range and kind of actually below that range. So we’re comfortable where we’re now. And in terms of dry powder for going forward, we’ve still got room in that range. I think another source is just some churn in sales and repayments in the portfolio.

You saw –or we saw anyway and you will have seen in our filings that there was a fair amount of that in the first quarter. And we didn’t assume that, that was going to pick up at some point. And it certainly did pick up, so we expect that to be, more elevated than it was on a quarterly basis last year, for example.

And then the third source I’d tell you, for additional dry powder in a sense is really the opportunity to have some other strategic partnerships within that 30% bucket. So I think between the three of those, we’ve still got ample room to operate within that 1 to 1.5-ish range.

Ryan Lynch

Okay. I appreciate the fact. Thanks for taking my questions.

Michael Ewald

Thanks, Ryan.


Our next question comes from Douglas Harter, Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Sam Choe

Hi. This is actually Sam Choe filling in for Doug. You guys mentioned there were delays in the investment processes that led to slower investment activity. Are you able to quantify the amount due to timing that might roll over to the next quarter?

Michael Ewald

Sure, so we stated in our remarks the $60 million was closed in the beginning part of April and as we think about what was delayed as a result of that, that volatility and push properties that it is about that $60 million amount.

Sam Choe

My follow up is, repayments in the sales were elevated. Did you see that coming? And how should we think about the pacing of that going forward?

Michael Ewald

Sure. So it was elevated particularly relative to prior quarters, what we did see though was that the fourth quarter of 2018 was quite slow from a repayment activity perspective, with only $43 million of repayments happening in that quarter. And so it was largely a pull forward of some of the activities that didn’t happen in the fourth quarter there. And so as we think about run rate ranges for pay down, we do think that each quarter is somewhere between $100 million and $200 million is a reasonable rate of pay downs in the portfolio.

Sam Choe

Awesome. Thank you so much.


Our next question comes from Arren Cyganovich, Citi. Please proceed with your question.

Arren Cyganovich

Thanks. I think in your K you mentioned that your relationship with Antares, you will continue to have one. How do you think that’s going to evolve? I would think that Antares provides a decent amount of potential floor opportunities. So maybe if you could talk about how your relationship is going to evolve with them, now that you’ve kind of ended that JV?

Michael Ewald

Yes, so thanks Arren, just to be clear we haven’t ended the JV it was just that we structured how we’re funding it. So for more perspective and so from an Antares perspective it’s more of an accounting change to a large degree to free up the capacity in that 30% bucket. Nothing’s changed in terms of how we work together, how we source deals together, how we underwrite deals together, et cetera. And in fact you may have seen as recently as yesterday there was actually a press release on a deal that we closed together through the ABCS joint venture, and there was couple of others over the past few weeks.

So from our perspective, and from their perspective nothing’s changed. It’s really full steam ahead. If anything, this actually opens up more capacity because again we are not limited by the 30% bucket. And in addition to that also allows us to potentially speak for more because we can now bring in some of our other managed funds within the Bain Capital route because I mentioned we do have the exempted relief. And so if we can bring in other funds, which we couldn’t before, when it was a non-consolidated JV equity, we can speak for potentially bigger deals in the market place. And we and Antares together think that there is a significant opportunity in potentially unitranches over $350 million.

Arren Cyganovich

I appreciate the clarification in it, it’s better than I was thinking. So the other question I had was on the decision for what you refer to as fee neutral. So waiving the fees associated with the assets you’re bringing on balance sheet through 2019 – post 2019, is it no longer fee neutral? I guess, I’m just trying to understand the thought about just the increase there. Because you obviously have – will have higher assets on your balance sheet.

Michael Ewald

Yes, exactly right, and the way we thought about it was, these are – the effect of the assets that we’ve already originated and by bringing them on the balance sheet, the effect of these increases are the AUMs so therefore we could charge management fees on that. We didn’t think that was particularly shareholder friendly. And so what we’re doing here is basically waiving the fees on those assets as they come on the balance sheet doing that through the rest of ‘19. And we again assume that there will be some churn and that will naturally refill that. And so we would have built up to a larger portfolio over time anyway. What we didn’t want to do is just sort of switch on fees for assets that again we had already originated in prior quarters that weren’t new because we just didn’t think that was fair and right for shareholders.

Arren Cyganovich

Okay. Thank you.


[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Fin O’Shea, Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question.

Fin O’Shea

Good morning and thanks. Just a follow on the dialog with portfolio. It seems like a bit of reconstruction on what we’ll do with the Antares assets and the 30% bucket. But just kind, if you could summarize the difference in what the blend will be assuming these Antares’ assets, if they go much higher and the leverage or spread as you just touched on that maybe more difficult on the financing side.

And then on the new 30% bucket would that therefore be more perhaps lower risk assets maybe asset base type stuff? But I know it’s sort of a lot there, but if you could kind of give some color as to a potential shift on how you’re thinking of portfolio construction.

Mike Boyle

Sure. Thanks for the questions, Fin. So as I highlighted, we ended up the average yields of the assets in the portfolio went from 7.8% to 8% as a result of the consolidation. So there is some increased spread by bringing those assets onto the balance sheet. The financing structure – and we think that – and part of why we did consolidate was because we think that the unitranche structure continues to be attractive in today’s market and that, that will be a continued way for us to drive attractive return on the asset side.

In terms of liabilities, the J.P. Morgan facility that we have in place to address the unitranche specific financings will allow us to continue to grow that program. And so we do feel good that the liability structure we have is durable and will be able to fund the growth that we focused on through that unitranche products in the future.

Michael Ewald

And again that J.P. Morgan facility as Mike had mentioned earlier is the same one that’s been financing these assets already anyway. So it was a relatively easy change from that perspective.

Mike Boyle

And the last piece of your question, Fin, was just around what other potential uses we could have in the 30% bucket. We have highlighted the opportunity we see internationally and we think that’s a differentiated way for us to drive returns for our shareholders. And so we will continue to see that. And to the extent we pursue strategic partnerships there would be things that are core to the direct lending universe. So something that would stay close to the existing strategy in the current portfolio.

Fin O’Shea

And then for the Bain Credit member entity is there a remaining rebate on that of any sort?

Michael Ewald

So I’m not sure, I get the question in terms of – is there a rebate on there?

Fin O’Shea

Yes, the Bain Credit member, is there any different terms there, they’re receiving at this point?

Michael Ewald

No. If you’re talking about some of the internal capital that we hold in the BDC, it’s at the same management fee, incentive fee structure which it has to be per SEC regulations, right, as any other shareholder if that’s your question.

Fin O’Shea

Thank you for taking my question.


Our next question comes from Derek Hewett, Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please proceed with your question.

Derek Hewett

Good morning, everyone. Mike, could you talk about the $0.08 of fee waivers and really should we expect this to continue if – I’m assuming if margins don’t expand, so that you can continue to cover the dividend on a core basis? Or maybe was – were there one-time items that were impacting the margin in the first quarter that we wouldn’t expect going forward?

Michael Ewald

I think the short story is we’re still somewhat young and in terms of having the structure here, so we continue to tweak it a little bit, everything from changing the liability structure to having that be more efficient, to doing things like this ABCS JV collapse. While we’re doing it and positioning the BDC appropriately, we also want to make sure that we’re also doing right by our shareholders and have an attractive return in there. So you’re right we did waive some fees and have some – waived some fees historically as well.

Certainly, our goal is to have NII very comfortably cover the dividend going forward. And I think what, we’re growing into that. We have again supported the dividend with some waivers in the past to the extent that, we feel like we need to, going forward. I think we’ll continue to consider that. But certainly the goal would be to have a stand by ourselves there.

Derek Hewett

Okay, great. Thanks for answering my question.

Michael Ewald



We have reached the end of the question-and-answer session. And I will now turn the call back over to Mike Ewald for closing remarks.

Michael Ewald

Thanks everyone and thanks for everyone for taking the time today and having the interest to join the call and thanks for the questions too, always appreciate discussing our strategy with you. And we’ll look forward to catching up again next quarter. Thanks all.


This concludes today’s conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.