Ciena Corporation (NYSE:CIEN) Q2 2019 Results Earnings Conference Call June 6, 2019 8:30 AM ET
Gregg Lampf - Vice President, Investor Relations
Gary Smith - President and Chief Executive Officer
Jim Moylan - Chief Financial Officer
Scott McFeely - Senior Vice President, Global Products and Services
Conference Call Participants
Paul Silverstein - Cowen
Simon Leopold - Raymond James
Tejas Venkatesh - UBS Securities
Rod Hall - Goldman Sachs
Michael Genovese - MKM Partners
Samik Chatterjee - JP Morgan
Jeff Kvaal - Nomura Instinet
Alex Henderson - Needham
Jim Suva - Citi
Meta Marshall - Morgan Stanley
Catharine Trebnick - Dougherty
Fahad Najam - Cowen
Tim Savageaux - Northland Capital
Good morning. My name is Lisa and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Ciena Fiscal Second Quarter 2019 Financial Results Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. And after the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. Thank you.
Gregg Lampf, Vice President of Investor Relations, you may begin your conference.
Thank you, Lisa. Good morning and welcome to Ciena's 2019 fiscal second quarter review. With me today is Gary Smith, President and CEO; and Jim Moylan, CFO. Scott McFeely, our Senior Vice President of Global Products and Services will join us for the Q&A portion of today's call.
In addition to this call and the press release, we've posted to the Investors section of our website an accompanying investor presentation that reflects this discussion as well as certain highlighted items from the quarter. Our comments today speak to our current view of the market environment and our industry position, our fiscal second quarter financial performance as well as our guidance for the fiscal third quarter and an update to our review outlook for fiscal '19.
Before turning the call over to Gary, I will remind you that during this call we will be making certain forward-looking statements. Such statements including our guidance and any commentary about our long-term financial targets are based on current expectations, forecast and assumptions regarding the company and its markets that include risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from the statements discussed today.
These statements should be viewed in the context of the risk factors detailed in our most recent 10-Q filing and in our upcoming 10-Q filing which is required to be filed with the SEC by June 13, and we expect to file by that date.
Today's discussion also includes certain adjusted or non-GAAP measures of Ciena's results of operations. A detailed reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to our GAAP results is included in today's press release. Ciena assumes no obligation to update the information discussed in this conference call whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise.
With that, I will turn the call over to Gary.
Thanks, Gregg, and good morning, everyone. Today we reported a very strong quarter across all of our financial and performance metrics. This included revenue growth in all major product segments and customer verticals. This reflects our balanced growth and continued market share gains. Order flow significantly exceeded revenue in the quarter, giving a strong visibility and increased confidence across our business. This performance is driven by the combination of our outstanding execution of a very deliberate and long-term strategy, as well as favorable competitive dynamics.
Specifically, we consistently achieved technology leadership across our portfolio and continue to build a diversified customer base in high growth markets, all at global scale and with deep customer relationships.
As a result, we continue to outpace the competition across multiple dimensions. And we believe that we represent the strongest and most stable partner to customers around the world. This combination in turn is riding consistent and differentiated financial performance, including better than expected performance in Q2, and is enabling us to significantly increase our revenue outlook for the remainder of the year.
Over the past few years, there have been several notable shifts happening in the communications industry, including evolutions in network design and technology, as well as changes to the profiles of the customer base and the competitive landscape. Our Q2 results illustrate the very positive impact on our business of how these shifts are playing out today for Ciena. Specifically, demand for capacity in its various forms remains robust across our customer segments, geographies and market verticals. And we are intensely focused on executing and delivering on this robust demand.
Also, the industry structure continues to currently redefine really by a flight to quality where customers are more intently seeking out vendors who offer leading innovation and engagement models, and do have the financial strength and sustainability to deliver on these over the long-term.
Other industry dynamics also continue to occur, but with perhaps less of an effect overall on our business. In particular, customers in certain geographic markets continue to evaluate rebalancing their network spend in the face of an overdependence on certain Chinese equipment vendors.
Although the benefit of this to our business directly is difficult to discern, it has been a dynamic that has been in place for some time. And we believe it to be relatively minimal impact on our business at this stage. As we have said consistently, in addition to these favorable industry dynamics, it is also the strong execution of our strategy to deliver the industry's leading innovation, while diversifying our business and leveraging our global scale that is underpinning our success.
With respect to innovation leadership, our competitive position continues to strengthen, particularly given our focused investments in optical packets and Blue Planet Automation software. And our strong financial results are a direct reflection of the fact that the market firmly believes Ciena has the strongest offering today and the most credible roadmap for the foreseeable future. Our current portfolio as well as our roadmap including feature sets and the timing of market introductions are frankly unmatched in the industry today.
As we head into the second half of the year, demand for WaveLogic Ai continues to grow. And we will further extend that optical leadership with our WaveLogic 5 program, which remains on track to deliver single wavelength 800 gig systems later this year. Just as importantly, this innovation and time-to-market leadership is enabled by our significant investment capacity, which ensures that we have the depth and flexibility in our development to remain ahead of the competition.
Moving to diversification, Q2 frankly was yet another great illustration of the breadth for the customer base and the benefit it provides to our business. We had a strong showing from North American Tier 1 service providers, webscale players and in Asia-Pacific, specifically Japan. With North American service providers, we continue to benefit from their spending on densification initiatives, metro, access and aggregation buildouts, and ongoing long haul investments.
In Q2, both of our 10% customers were North American Tier 1 service providers. The breadth of our webscale business is expanding and our relationships with these customers are deepening. This is driving differentiated growth and continued share gains in this important vertical. Once again in Q2, three of our top 10 customers were webscale companies, including one that was just a fraction under 10% of total revenue.
We are also accelerating share capture and landing new wins with service providers globally, including in Asia Pacific, beyond India. We expect these three customer groupings to be among the significant drivers of our business in the second half of fiscal 2019, and finally, with respect to the market advantage we have with our global scale. Because of how we’ve strategically grown our business around the world including within key customer segments and with well resourced and focused innovation agenda aligned to their priorities, we essentially have strong exposure to higher growth markets. That combined with our world class go-to-market organization including the largest optical sales team in the industry, positions us to foster the deepest and broadest customer relationships that exceed those of any other vendor.
In summary, it is the confluence and continued execution of these multiple elements, together with favorable industry dynamics that are enabling us to deliver outstanding financial performance and continued share gains.
With that, I'll ask Jim to take us through the Q2 results and our higher outlook for the rest of the year. Jim?
Thanks, Gary. Good morning, everyone. We delivered a very strong top-line performance in Q2 with revenue of $865 million, representing 18% growth year-over-year. Some highlights in our Q2 revenue include: packet revenue of $73 million, up 15% from Q2 of last year; Blue Planet Automation software and services revenue of $12.4 million, keeping us on track to achieve our fiscal ‘19 target of $50 million to $60 million.
With respect to Q2 revenue across customer verticals, non-telco revenue was $295 million, up 17% year-over-year; direct webscale revenue contributed revenue of $167 million, up 31% year-over-year; and subsea revenue was $63 million, up 23% year-over-year.
Moving to gross margin, our Q2 adjusted gross margin was 43.9%, above our estimated range due to higher cost reductions than expected and a confluence of favorable mix factors. Q2 adjusted operating expense was $269.7 million above our guidance range. The increase in operating expense was related to the timing of certain R&D projects, as well as slightly higher variable compensation given the strong quarterly performance. Year-to-date, we are essentially on plan for OpEx, except for the higher compensation expense just mentioned.
With respect to profitability measures in the second quarter, we delivered adjusted operating margin of 12.7%, adjusted net income of $76.2 million and adjusted EPS of $0.48.
In addition, in Q2, our adjusted EBITDA was $131 million and cash from operations was $104 million. We ended the quarter with approximately $818 million in cash and investments. Finally, we continue to execute on our share repurchase plans. During the second quarter, we repurchased approximately 1.2 million shares for $45 million. We are on target to buy back approximately $150 million in share value by the end of our fiscal year.
Before I move on to guidance, I want to comment briefly on two current geopolitical matters impacting markets in general and potentially our industry. First, regarding US-China trade tensions and overall relations, we have not seen any substantive impact on our business to-date. While there are many elements to this situation given the global nature of supply chains, it is important to note that unlike many others in our industry, we have almost no revenue exposure to China. Second, regarding the potential for tariffs on imports to the US from Mexico, the situation is light breaking, it’s very fluid and we can't be sure what if anything will ultimately put in place -- be put in place and for how long. For now, we are evaluating a range of alternatives and mitigation strategies to address the potential effects on our manufacturing and distribution operations in Mexico.
If the initial 5% tariff is put in place next week as proposed, our preliminary analysis which reflects several conservative assumptions around our ability to mitigate indicates that it could impact our Q3 gross margin by as much as 1%. I emphasize that this is a preliminary and very conservative number.
The situations with China and Mexico are highly uncertain at the moment and we will continue to monitor them carefully. Importantly for you, we have not factored into our outlook today any significant potential effects of either of these matters, and we do not believe they will fundamentally alter our competitive position or the benefits yielded by our innovation leadership diversification and global scale.
Looking ahead, in fiscal third quarter 2019 we expect to deliver revenue in a range of $915 million to $945 million and adjusted gross margin in the 42% to 43% range. Given our strong results in the first half of fiscal '19, and our projections for the second half of the year, we are in a position to increase our revenue guidance for the full fiscal year. Specifically, we now expect to achieve annual revenue growth this year in the range of 13% to 14%.
As I said before, we are on plan for OpEx year-to-date, except for some variable compensation expense booked in Q2. And we expect to be essentially on plan for the rest of the year, except for the potential for higher compensation expense if we perform to our revised expectations. With our new guide, we anticipate incurring higher compensation-related expense of approximately $10 million per quarter in the second half of the year. With that, we expect operating expense in the third quarter to be approximately $270 million.
In closing, we posted a very strong set of results today for our fiscal second quarter, including continued market share gains in every vertical. In addition, our strong visibility gives us increased confidence for the fiscal year, reflected in our higher revenue outlook for 2019.
In a market that continues to grow in the low to mid-single-digits range, continued execution of our strategy and a strong set of industry dynamics are positively influencing our business and enabling us to advance our competitive position.
With that, Lisa, we'll now take questions from the sell-side analysts.
Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. And our first question comes from the line of Paul Silverstein from Cowen. Your line is open.
Jim, first a clarification. Certainly 42% to 43% gross margin guidance that incorporates the potential for that 1% average impact, is that correct?
Oh! No, it does not. No, 42% to 43% is our range of gross margin that we believe we will see for the third quarter and the rest of the year for that matter.
So if the mix consists of 5% proposed that’s put in place, that’d be additional 1 percentage point impact, just because…
Yes. To emphasize that, that's a very conservative number.
Alright. Now for the question, Gary, Jim, it sounds like you've had a pretty decent fee change in your outlook for the webscale folks. I think 90 days ago you were talking about that group of customers being softer in the second half of the year. So some of the growth you just put off and I think I heard Gary comment that you're expecting a strong second half of the year out of that group. And obviously, we're all aware in the investment community of your peers that have cited issues one step or another. Can you revisit that and give us some insight what's going on there?
And then one related question on the 600-gig versus 800-gig concern that you've now got competitors shifting 600-gig based platforms in the rest of Ciena, it doesn't sound like that’s sort of an impact driving, if you could address those two issues?
Let me start Paul. Just to be clear, we never spoke of weakness with respect to the webscale. We said that we were going to have a good year with webscale but that we were not going to grow for this year as much as we grew last year. Remember, we grew 140%, or something in that vertical last year. We said we were going to have a good year. And we were going to grow. All of the comments about weakness in our webscale business came from other places and not from us.
I’ll now let Gary address the other question.
Yes, so specifically, we still think the webscale market is growing in the single to low double-digits. We're going to grow above that market rate. Basically, we're going to continue to take share. And that's driven by two elements. One, the technology and innovation leadership that's appreciated there, and the embedded relationships that we have with them as well. But I want to be clear that the growth that we're talking about in the second half is multifaceted. It is not just webscale. We’ve done very well in webscale, and we have a good visibility to that. But service provider business in North America, very strong. The wins that we've had with global Tier 1s are also beginning to play through, specifically markets like Japan, very strong. So, it is a balanced growth strategy that we've been pursuing. And we're seeing the benefits of that in our broad-based projections that frankly are going to be better than we’d anticipated going in, based on those set dynamics.
Scott you want to talk about the 600 gig?
Paul it’s Scott. In terms of the competitive dynamics, I'd say this, in Q2, we had a record quarter in terms of demand and shipment for our existing WaveLogic product portfolio. As we look in the second half of the year, that is accelerating off of that record height. So that's a window into the competitive dynamics, if you like. If you couple that with our announcements around WaveLogic 5, and the market leading innovation that that brings, and the fact that we're well on the execution path of that as we thought we would be when we made the announcement, we're very comfortable in terms of our competitive position. But more importantly, I think if you look at the second half guidance we have here, that's backed up with great visibility and demand across that portfolio.
So just to sort of clarify on the webscale and I apologize I’m speaking loosely. But the flattening that you've previously referenced relative to the explosive growth that you've enjoyed, what do you -- can you give us insight as to what you're expecting in terms of growth from that customer base in the second half of the year?
We were up 31% for the quarter. I'm not going to comment on the growth rate, it's going to be good this year, but it's not going to be 140%, it would be strong. We're going to take share.
As I’ve said in the past, Paul, I think the spend that’s been in our space that the webscale players do from a market perspective, our perspective was that was growing year-on-year high single-digits, low double-digits, we haven't changed that perspective. And if you look at our growth rates that Jim referenced, it’s clear that we're taking share in that space.
Our next question comes from the line of Simon Leopold from Raymond James. Your line is open.
It seems that that you're putting a lot of emphasis on sort of the non-telco. But I'm hoping maybe you could double click on the majority of business, it’s telco and maybe give us a little bit more detail as to the sources of the upside surprise in the quarter. Specifically, I'm trying to get a better sense of whether this is your traditional North American customers or whether this is evidence of the increased traction in Japan, you did highlight that but I imagine India is declining, Japan is growing. So if you could help us understand really the sources of the strength versus your guidance? Thanks.
Yes. So I mean I would sort of start with answering this around the overall what I would call the flight to quality that you're seeing amongst the global service providers. And that is multi-dimensional, it's around innovation, the technology, the relationships, the scale and the sustainability. I think there's a lot of concern around the global service providers, the big Tier 1s around the sustainability of many competitors. And also the technology and the ability to sustain that roadmap. And I think overall, you're seeing those dynamics very favorable towards Ciena.
So I think that's the sort of macro market dynamic, it's not brand new. We think it's accelerating though this year and it’s showing up in our results.
In terms of the geographic elements to that, North America, we have very strong quarter and order flows and we have a good strong forecast for the remainder of the year. That's with the big Tier 1 service providers. Cable, I would say is stable. I think probably a little bit of growth for us this year with new logo wins that we've had in that space.
Internationally, we grew most of the regions, EMEA was up for the year. Asia Pacific seeing good growth. India, given the election and the rest of it, it kind of will be I think sort of flat for the year, but I think it talks to broad-based growth strategy. We've got other markets that are picking up the load, Japan in particular, very strong growth out of Japan. And again, I think that also is about the flight to quality and the concerns around the longevity of their indigenous vendors as well and we're well placed to take advantage of that.
So, Simon, that's how I’d summarize it, it's very broadly based. We're also getting some of the benefits of the Tier 1 wins that we've had over the last 18 months now beginning to come to revenue and that gives us good visibility into the second half of the year with the service providers. We feel very good about service provider business in 2019.
What would you consider the single biggest surprise for you in terms of these results?
I think really the advancement of the competitive position, Scott talked to this. And I think the desire for WaveLogic in its various forms I think has been extremely robust. We expected it to be good for the year, but I think it does talk to the competitive position that we have.
Our next question comes from the line of Tejas Venkatesh from UBS Securities. Your line is open.
I have another question on the sources of strength. If I had my math right, it looks like your North America revenue outside of direct webscale AT&T and Verizon grew about $25 million year-over-year, particularly strong. So I'm curious, if you could comment a bit on that?
Yes, I'd say that we're doing well with a whole set of customers in addition to AT&T and Verizon. We're down and we're in the enterprise market. We had a good enterprise result for the quarter and for the half. Tier -- the smaller Tier 1s and Tier 2s were doing well. And so it's very broad-based, Tejas. We're doing very well -- and government, excuse me.
And then would you comment on your AT&T expectations for this year, and what that would look like versus historical patterns?
As we said, at the beginning of the year, we expect a year of growth out of AT&T. We've been sort of flattish to down in AT&T for several years that had more to do with their spend on optical and certainly any loss of share on our part. We expect a good year out of AT&T, they're buying -- they buy pretty much everything off of truck.
Our next question comes from the line of Rod Hall from Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
Nice job on the execution here. I guess I wanted to start with the WaveLogic 5 product and just ask if you guys are still on track to deliver that by the end of the year. And then more importantly are you expecting to ship it in volume, at least on the Waveserver in this 6500 platforms in the March quarter? That's the first question.
The second thing I wanted to ask about was OpEx, just to clarify your comments there. The R&D numbers, I mean, I'm assuming that what you mean, Jim what you talked about the R&D is that you should still see that growing slower than revenue, but I just want to be sure about that? And then maybe one follow-up to this as well.
Yes, I'll address the OpEx piece first, and then Scott or Gary will talk to your revenue question. On OpEx, the timing of R&D spend can be somewhat volatile quarter-to-quarter because we do projects, we do [NRE], we do lots of things which happen during the quarter and can either inflate or deflate the OpEx number. The important thing to note is, we gave guidance at the beginning of the year that we were going to be running OpEx between $255 million to $260 million a quarter; we're on track for that. We will spend a bit more on compensation expense for this year, if we deliver the guidance that we gave you.
And Rod on the question on WaveLogic 5, the short answer is yes. So we announced it to the marketplace back in calendar Q1, we said it would be available at the end of the year, and we would be shipping on Waveserver products and 6500 products in volume in calendar Q1 next year. And that's all on track for execution. The program has been bang on from our expectations.
Did you guys -- just on the WaveLogic 5, could you just talk about maybe gives a little bit of color, what you're hearing back particularly from the DCI market on that? Back to the 600 gig versus 800 gig question, it just seems like it has to be available in volume, it's hard to believe that people wouldn't pretty rapidly shift over to that technology. But I don't know maybe the cover price per bid is going to be significantly higher. And that would keep people buying 600 gig. So just a little bit of color maybe on how you see competitive dynamics that are developing, particularly in DCI early next year as you start shipping that in volume?
Yes, I'd say it this way, Rod, the 800 gig versus 600 gig is the tagline for the comparison but it's really a performance at every application in the network. And if you look at the specs on WaveLogic 5, it outperforms anything that is advertised from the competition. Now we're in the foreseeable future at every application space. So we have execution in front of us, no question. We've got a great track record of doing that and we're confident about that. But we're very, very confident in terms to the competitive spec on that. And by the way, as I said in the past, we deal with a very sophisticated set of buyers and they buy not only existing stuff on the roadmap but they're also buying the roadmap. And they're very aware when we say we've got very robust demand in the second half of the year for our capabilities set, it’s partially with visibility of those roadmaps as well.
And could you guys also -- this would be my last one, could you just comment on the North America trends. I know you've already said a few things. But we were surprised to see year-over-year growth there accelerating so much in April. And just wondering, whether do you think that as a particularly good quarter as you look out the next couple quarters? Or do you think that, North America, because of the project visibility, you guys are just going to continue to be that strong or stronger than what you saw in April?
The answer to your question is, yes. We continue to expect North America to be strong both in terms of existing relationships and our strong visibility into that, the order backlog. Some of the new wins that we've had with a couple of Tier 1s as well that are now -- that have got a fair amount of publicity that will now be ramping up in the second half. So we've got very high degree of confidence in a strong North America and I think Rod it talks again to not necessarily, whether their total CapEx increases or not, it’s who they spend it with. And I think that’s being way more discerning around their desire to have a sustainable player in there than ever they have been before.
Our next question comes from the line of Michael Genovese from MKM Partners. Your line is open.
Could you help us understand how you beat the second quarter gross margins by as much as you did, software was not particularly strong and packet was sort of in line. So what is the dynamics there behind those GMs?
Yes Mike, as we said before, gross margin is difficult for us to call within a very narrow band, because there are a lot of things that impact gross margin in a given quarter, customer mix, early stage of projects, specific projects which have good margins or less than good margins. And so what I'd say generally speaking, you'll note that services had a higher gross margin in Q2 than Q1. And that had some sort of unusual things in both quarters which accentuated the differences. And then generally a favorable mix and cost reduction. So that's what I can tell you. I still think we're a 42% to 43% gross margin company today as we said, I think we're going to go up from that range next year, but I think we're 42% to 43%.
Yes. So I want to follow-up on that. Because it sounds like 42%, 43% is conservative, but it would be even more conservative to assume that these Mexican tariffs are going to affect this quarter. But you're not assuming that. So I'm trying to sort of understand what you're saying about 42% to 43%. It kind of sounds to me like you're saying you could be at 42% even with a partial quarter of Mexican tariffs, is that fair?
I'm saying that 42% to 43% is our base gross margin. And then as we said that the estimate -- conservative estimate of what next Mexican tariffs being in place for Q3 could impact our margin by 1%. Now, there's 100 assumptions based into that that we haven't tested, we're going to do a lot of work on mitigating that effect, if they come into place. And so that's why I say, our base gross margin is 42% to 43%, we believe.
Our next question comes from the line of Samik Chatterjee from JP Morgan. Your line is open.
Just want to start off with the tariff topic itself. And there is probably proposal as well that the 5% tariff escalates to 25% in October, I believe. So, if that were to happen, what are the alternatives in terms of footprint that you can evaluate over the short-term to mitigate that impact?
You can imagine that we are looking at all the alternatives if the tariffs are put in place at all, because we'd like for there to be no effect on our results, even if the tariffs are put in place. That does include things like moving manufacturing, changing some flows out of our supply chain, and other things that we would do. But, beyond Q3, it's very, very difficult to predict what's going to happen to these tariffs. And -- but I can assure you, we're going to do the right thing. We've gone through things like this before. And we've always been able to mitigate potential effects. That's why when I give a number like about 1%, we're giving you a conservative number, before we put in place the things that we will do, if necessary.
And can you just follow up on relative to the [PMS], customers, and their overdependence on the Chinese supplier. You mentioned it’s not a material impact right now in the business. I just want to see if you can -- if you have any comments on -- particularly around win rates in Europe, and if you've seen an acceleration there in the win rates this year?
I think a couple of comments that I would wanted to make here. Whilst this is getting a lot of publicity, obviously right now, this is a dynamic, frankly, that we've -- that has been in play for a couple of years. And I think it's driven by a number of elements, not least of which is just the large market share that these Chinese vendors have taken within certain customers and customers are very aware of that, very sensitive to it, and are looking to decrease their dependency.
We began to see some of these dynamics come into play about two years ago. Difficult to discern exactly, which customers, which revenue, et cetera. But I think it has been a factor over a period of time here. And I also think it plays into this overall sort of flight to quality piece that I talked about earlier.
So, it's difficult to discern exactly what the impact is being to us. But definitely, there is a concern amongst a number of large carriers, particularly in Europe, that they just actually have an overdependence on Chinese vendors, and they're looking to mitigate that over time.
And just to be clear, there's another element to this whole US-China situation, which is the prohibition on American component makers selling into Chinese vendors, which would be a serious problem. There's security concerns that the US is talking with companies around the world about. But it's that element, the sort of set of security concerns and trade concerns, for which we've seen no real effect on our revenue. Where we've seen effect on our revenue is the high market share that Huawei holds in certain markets, we have no way of knowing how the first thing that I was talking about will affect our future.
Our next question comes from the line of Jeff Kvaal from Nomura. Your line is open.
Yes, a question and a clarification. I think on the question, would you all mind helping us who -- like how sticky the Huawei gear proves to be or is it a gear? Just in general, what -- how long is the process of switching from any vendor to another and how would we be able to gauge that impact on your revenues like over what timeframe? And then I guess the point of the clarification is Jim your 1% impact from Mexico tariffs for half a quarter at the 5% rate, would that apply, would that essentially be in a 2% for a full quarter? Is that the implication there? Thank you.
I think we're giving you a conservative number for Q3, because it's topical and I'm just not prepared to give you much more than that today, Jeff. And our base gross margin excludes any of that impact. On Huawei, Scott, do you want to address that?
I think it's a tough one to give you a black and white answer to, because each of our customer basis has different new product introduction processes that take anywhere from, in some cases, a relatively short period of time. In other cases, a year, very expanded period of time. So it's difficult to give you a, here's the model perspective, there typically, and there are also different approaches in terms of how they move about this totally overbuild a network, run form wavelengths or existing systems. And those also drive a lot of variability to the answer to that question. So it's difficult to give you a black and white one.
If wanted to speaking about telco in general, I mean, these decisions are made over many years, in some cases. And did all obviously welcome Huawei into their networks at some points in the past, so it sounds like it's a slow process, if they wanted to switch here back and forth. But I'm trying to gauge your commentary on that with a shade more visibility, better detail?
Jeff, maybe I can sort of give a bit more color to it. I alluded to it when I said this has been going on for many years. This is sort of a two to three-year thing that we've seen. We've had wins, particularly in Europe, in certain parts of Asia, that I can probably point to and say, that's because of the concern about the dependency on a particular vendor. So we have seen that. The most public one that I would offer you is Deutsche Telekom who has been a very big Huawei customer. And has not been a Ciena customer and last year we won both the international and the domestic business with them. And we're just beginning to roll that out right now. So to your point that has taken about a year or so in terms of the back office integration, et cetera, but that's one example that I’d give you. We talked about publicly of that kind of a shift.
Our next question comes from the line of Alex Henderson from Needham. Your line is open.
You guys are clearly having what I would describe as healthy on days with three quarters in a row averaging about 20% revenue growth. I don't have seen those kind of conditions for a very long extended period of time. Within the backdrop, you've got, the Japanese Olympics and displacement of the Japanese vendors, you've got strength at AT&T and Verizon, you've got a number of positive tailwinds all kicking in to give you growth way above historical trend lines.
I guess my question is to what extent do you think some of those start to reverse against the tougher comparisons as we get past the next couple of quarters and we're looking at tough comps and your growth rate for the three year period is 6% to 8%. How should we think about is this so far above trend line that it starts to revert back to it? Or is there so much pipeline built because of the things you've just talked about in terms of share gains, versus Huawei and other weakened competitors that this continues, and I actually put some thoughts into around 5G into that, I would appreciate it?
Yes, and you must be referring to beyond this year, because we have given guidance for this year. Just for some context to that, we're in a market, which is growing, we believe, low to single-digits -- low to mid single-digits, I should say, that's been the case for the last eight or nine years. In that context, we have grown 2 to 3 points above that range. And we've taken about a point of share per year, until the last couple of years, when as we’ve said, we had a confluence of factors, which are really driving our growth rate up beyond what we think we can sustain. So our belief is beyond this year, we will revert to 6% to 8%. Now, that will be off a much higher base. So our numbers are going to be higher, and your numbers should be higher. And I'd also say that our EPS growth, we think we can continue at 20% a year, although you just run our guidance out. And if we achieve it we're going to be above 20% EPS growth rate this year.
One more question, if I could. Again a longer term, clearly 800 gig is going to be a big cycle, the 400 to 800 is a nice round feed into it. So that always helps the dynamics. But as we start getting past 800 gig, are we moving away from an environment where over the last decade, plus, virtually everything has been driven by the DSP, whereas going forward in order to push higher baud rate, it starts to become more important in indium phosphide, and are you at all concerned about the health of that supply chain?
Yes, this is Scott, I’ll take that one. So first of all, to your question about the DSP, we still think there's performance we can eke out beyond what we've announced in terms of the next generation. So it’s still work to be done there. But you're quite right, the innovation on the whole coherent drivetrain doesn't just include the DSP. And one of the reasons why we actually went out and acquired TeraXion a couple years ago was actually to get control over the intellectual property and the execution capability around the electro-optics piece of that drivetrain, including indium phosphide, but also silicon photonics. And I'd say we have control over own destiny in that space and that is actually what has allowed us to be extremely aggressive in terms of the innovation cycle that we're putting on the table for WaveLogic 5.
Our next question comes from a line of Jim Suva from Citi. Your line is open.
I’ve pretty basic question. Given the pending Mexico import tariffs, have you seen an acceleration or forward orders thus far?
I think the quick answer to that is, no, we haven't. I think it's a very fluid situation. But no, we have not seen any forward ordering based on that, I think given the uncertainty of it.
It’s early days for sure.
Okay. And then my last question is kind of an accounting question. In the past, you’ve had some restructuring costs, and it went up this quarter to about 4 million versus the past few quarters kind of lower. In the line time it’s passing impairments and write-offs or impairments. And so is that more on the restructuring side, that's going into there? Why would it go up when you're having revenues and earnings and profitability going up? I would expect that should be going the other direction.
Yes. The answer to that is that we talked about this earlier in the year, we said that. We are looking at a number of efficiencies in our OpEx. We said that we still felt confident in our -- or I should say we have a target of getting to 15% operating margin in 2020. But we said that in order to do that, we did have to reduce the intensity of our expense. And so we have a number of initiatives across just about every function to try to take costs out. And these restructuring costs reflect the outcome of those actions or probably more as we move through this year. But we will again, reduce the percentage of the OpEx as a percent of revenue in 2020.
Our next question comes from the line of Meta Marshall from Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.
First question from me, maybe just on kind of the more public smaller Tier 1 win. You mentioned that that will kind of get towards the run rate in the second half. And just should we consider what we see in kind of the second half to be full run rate? Or will that continue to ramp in calendar year 2020?
And then maybe just some reflections on 400 ZR timing, and then just your timing and when you see the market developing is the second question? Thanks.
The Tier 1 you alluded to, I would expect to continue to ramp for '20. So what we'll see? We'll see a little uptick in our forecast I believe for the second half, but it's relatively small, relative to the size of our business, for sure. But we'd expect most of that to come in '20.
And on the ZR question, I'd say the market timing I think is late 2020. We -- as we announced with our WaveLogic 5 family, we fully intend to be in the marketplace in that timeframe. I'd also remind you though, what we said on the last call the ZR spec as it is, and you sort of look at the different applications that make up the optical market space, we do believe it's a relatively very small portion of that market. And I think last time we said it’s some 5% of the overall market.
Our next question comes from the line of Catharine Trebnick from Dougherty. Your line is open.
One clarification. Was that 34% of total revenue for non-telco, Jim?
Yes. Yes, it was Catharine.
Okay. And then the other question is, I've heard some chatter during the quarter that there was an organizational change in North America and could you address some of the -- that chatter if you wouldn't mind? Thanks.
We're sitting here, wondering what you might have heard, that always having changes in our organization, but there were no major changes at the senior executive positions that I'm aware of, unless Gary knows something I don't know.
To be clear, to be fair, I was around AT&T that there's been some change in leadership around AT&T to be totally fair.
Yes, it’s part of a larger restructuring of our go-to-market group in which we have just changed how the organization works. The fellow who runs -- ran the AT&T account is still active in the account. He's taken another position in a revised organization, if there's nothing to see here, not to worry, we're having a great time with AT&T.
Our next question comes from the line of Fahad Najam from Cowen. Your line is open.
My question was on your North American commentary. Can you provide us a little bit of detail as to what's driving the outlook, other than when you said AT&T is going to be flat but growing? So what's the other growth driver besides that’s fueling your outlook? Is it new footprint win at CenturyLink that's fueling your outlook, can you just help us understand what's happening in the North American market?
I would describe that share growing is across the board. It's Tier 1s. It’s new Tier 1s, you mentioned CenturyLink, it’s new logos into the cable space as well. Strong Tier 2, Tier 3 performance, webscale, government, the enterprise business as well. So it really is very broad-based in North America. And we think it's sustainable, obviously, given the visibility that we have into the second half of the year. So it's extremely broad-based.
Okay. And how much of the new footprint wins do you have relative to your previous wins? How much of the software content, is it larger than previous wins that you've had recently?
I would say sort of consistent. We’ve got some good opportunities on the Blue Planet side in North America, but obviously from an overall revenue point of view, that's relatively modest, but important strategically to us. We've had some significant progress there, which I think bodes well for the validation of that platform.
But obviously, from a materiality point of view on revenue, it's not hugely impactful. But we've had a number of new wins in North America into the cable space, obviously, a couple of the Tier 1s that you alluded to. And that we continue to take share. And I think, I would summarize it again by saying sort of flight to quality.
Our final question today comes from the line of Tim Savageaux from Northland Capital. Your line is open.
My question: it looks like Tier 1 -- revenues with your two largest Tier 1s may have increased something in the order of 50% year-over-year in the quarter. I wonder if you can kind of comment on that number. And the question is, as you look at that increase, which seems to be responsible for a fair bit of the upside, can you characterize that growth relative to increased spending at those customers on whether it's pre-5G or access or metro what have you, relative to any potential share gain from competitors in those accounts, which would you say was sort of more central in driving what I think was the real focus of the kind of unanticipated growth in the quarter at least from our perspective?
It certainly did impact the quarter. I would say that we started the year expecting growth out of both of those accounts. But certainly not 50% and I don't think that they will grow 50% year-over-year. I think we had an exceptionally good quarter with both of those customers. And so I would not -- we've always said, don't look at any individual quarter as a trend and I would highly emphasize that in the situation. We're engaged -- we're involved in just about every big project that they're doing, maybe it is every optical project that they are doing right now. And in both cases, I think their spend is up a bit this year, but don't expect 50% growth in those two customers. And we emphasize those aren’t the only North American customers that are doing extremely well.
Understood. But it seems at least some of that is forward looking in terms of the new wins, in terms of what impacted the quarter, it does so much your current customers are more central to that. And just wrapping it up for me, with regards to international, I think, I missed some of your comments earlier, I mean, looks like pretty much flattened out, I assume India was a drag in the quarter and maybe, I guess, partially offset by Japan. Is that a fair summary?
Yes. That’s a fair summary. We kind of expected -- India has been on a massive investment program. And I think we expected this year some digestion of that, frankly, particularly given the election year as well. So I think that would be -- our view is sort of flat for the year. But other markets have taken up the weight on that particularly Japan and some of the other Asian markets are looking strong for us for the remainder of the year. Also, we feel pretty good around Europe as we go into the second half as well. We feel that some of the growth we'll see will be -- will come out of the European marketplace. So we think it's sort of pretty balanced.
We have no further questions in queue. I'll turn the call back to Mr. Lampf for closing remarks.
Thanks everyone for joining us today. We appreciate your interest. We look forward to catching up with everyone over the next several weeks. Have a good day.
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