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Tesla: Riding The Road To Profitability

Oct. 18, 2019 6:59 PM ETTesla, Inc. (TSLA)190 Comments

Summary

  • Tesla has projects that are under development and will make a meaningful impact on the company, but too little is known about them to include them in my final analysis.
  • Total expenses will be limited to just over $10 billion, reaching this level in 2025, and will not exceed total gross profit at any time.
  • I expect a total net profit of $4.13 billion in 2020, increasing steadily to $18.799 billion by the end of 2025.
  • Even without strong long-term demand, Tesla will be able to maintain a profit and pay off = debt, significantly improving Tesla’s odds of achieving long-term profit and self sustainability.
  • I anticipate Tesla to be worth $375 per share by 2020’s end, $460 per share by 2021’s end, $550 per share by 2022’s end, $645 per share by 2023’s end, and $770 per share by 2024’s end.

This is the conclusion of a series of articles I have written about the future financial impact of Tesla’s (NASDAQ:NASDAQ:TSLA) upcoming production. I’ve discussed how Tesla will be able to obtain 25% margins, Gigafactory 3 production, the Model Y, the Semi and Roadster, solar, and battery storage products. Each article has had a portion at the end discussion the financial impact and this article will put these impacts together and demonstrate the collective impact of Tesla’s future production. I also will analyze Tesla’s debt load in order to determine full profitability along with operating costs and capital expenditures. This article will explore how Tesla will be completely self sufficient in the foreseeable future by maintaining, and growing, profitability.

The Unknowns

The Tesla Pickup, set to be unveiled later this year, is still mostly shrouded in mystery. The “cyberpunk” design Tesla has created for the vehicle has created a lot of confusion about what exactly is means. Besides the design though, we do know a good amount about the truck’s features, from a discussion Musk held on Twitter over a year ago. From this, we learned that the truck will have an option to max at around 500 miles of range, though the battery can also power a 240 volt outlet for power tools as well as an air compressor. The air compressor will utilize the pneumatic system for dynamic suspension, which also is utilizing dual motor all-wheel drive. Dynamic suspension allows for smoother driving, especially offroad, and the dual motor configuration increases torque, with the capacity to tow 300,000 pounds. These advantages, besides range, are things that internal combustion engine (“ICE”) trucks are not capable of. The range is only an advantage over other EVs or electric pickup trucks. An electric pickup truck, especially Tesla’s, does have an inherent

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Comments (182)

ohorodnyk95 profile picture
It is way harder to laugh from the article now since Q3 is revealed.
Right, shorts?
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As usual for TSLA's rare profitable Qs, it's based largely on regulatory credit sales, which are a particularly spiky part of the business.

The real question is what will the end results look like at the end of the year.

Even more importantly: when (if?) they become yearly profitable, will they make enough to justify their valuation?

That said, it's always good to see a profitable quarter. It's a shame they don't post them more often.
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If you can't find Tesla cutting their R&D to zero and firing their sales staff so their cost of sales is zero...then you are not looking. Their CapEx is less than depreciation so things are falling apart. Everything was done (accounting tricks) to show a profit. I don't trust any company that plays funny money with their accounting for a short term gain.
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Tesla is cheating on the road to profitability. How about cutting their cost of sales ( no people) to zero? Ok, what about cutting CapEx to less than the cost of depreciation? Now the kicker, Tesla dropped their cost of R&D to zero. All these amateur tricks to be profitable I would expect from a back yard go-kart maker, not an automobile maker. Shame on you Tesla.
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From Seeking Alpha. Don't tell me Tesla doesn't need more money.Tesla Needs More Money

Aug. 19, 2019 5:29 AMTesla, Inc. (TSLA)
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Um, I bet it's a short road.
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Tesla would require about $15B to ride the road to profitability. Somehow, I don't think this is possible in my lifetime, much less yours. In 2020 the first debt payment of the $13B of debt is coming due. In 2021 the debt repayment will be $1B. The Chinese taxes will be $323M and the $500M construction loan will be due. Tesla is leveraged so heavily that just starving off bankruptcy will be a miracle.
Bill Cunningham profile picture
"In 2020 the first debt payment of the $13B of debt is coming due."

@Lewis Bagwell

There is no debt payment of $13 bn. due next year.
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Again, and again and again, for any of this to happen they need to actually bring a product to market. Then we can see what kind of an impact it will have.
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Now the financial genus at ARK Investments will raise the target from $4000 to $10,000..LOL
flufferty the gigabot profile picture
They have already, no joke :-
www.cnbc.com/...
aldol profile picture
IMO the jelly bean (M3) has exhausted the backlog of virtue signalers
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Probably not quite. There are still places to expand sales into, for now. That said, the target audience for (particularly higher end trims) is drying up.
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Thank you for the comedy.
For those who did not catch the joke, here it is in living color but without the Wayans brothers.

A comparison is made to Ford, GM, and others with lower costs.
A reference is made to Home Depot.
The question of the significance of Home Depot and their success is lost.

So what is the miss? Home Depot beat out higher cost (cost to the firm, not price consumers pay) competitors such as OSH because of a lower cost (in their case often scalping suppliers) business model and product development structure. Likewise, GM, Ford, and others are beating out Tesla because of their lower cost (despite higher labor) business model and product development structure.

Sure, if Tesla can somehow increase structural efficiencies it can compete with GM and company, but then again, if OSH could have magically done the same, they would not have gone bankrupt.

Disclaimer: I always preferred OSH to Home Depot and given a chance would go to OSH 100% of the time. The reality of a higher cost structure is not a statement of disrespect to their employees or suppliers who generally provided customers with a better experience. Likewise, Tesla is woefully inefficient and saying otherwise with a straight face would be a trick for Keenen Ivory Wayans.
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Tell me again what Tesla's earnings per share are? Minus 2.31 Not a stock I would buy.
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Tesla does have a few things going for it.

It is the leader in the portion of the market that has high growth.

Despite the well documented execution issues the model 3 offer 3 series like performance. How many auto companies can say that?

No question the article has some glaring holes in it but it is much more probable that Tesla thrives than it fails.

Having said that I think the shares are now overvalued.
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I don't agree that Tesla needs to raise production at Fremont of the Model 3 to 10,000 a week to achieve a 25% gross margin. I believe that the potential improvements in the cost of making battery cells should be sufficient. There is insufficient demand for the Model 3 domestically outside California to justify 3,000 more vehicles a week.

My opinion is that the Model 3 does not have as much "love" in the United States as it does in Europe. The US Government has adopted - continued - an anti-Tesla form of electric vehicle subsidy that defies reason. Congress is highly unlikely to revise the current system where General Motors and Tesla - the two domestic manufacturers - have declining Federal Tax Credits and the late-coming companies like Jaguar, Audi, BMW, and Volkswagen do...and US gasoline prices are not as high as in the rest of the world where Tesla vehicles are sold. As long as Americans outside of California - can fill up for less than $4/gallon, the demand will be weak.

Whatever Tesla would spend in Fremont to increase capacity is better spent in China on the battery production facility or in Europe to build a new assembly plant that will deliver Model 3s made in Germany to a more receptive market.
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Who are we trying to fool? Telsa cannot turn a profit even with a stiff tailwind and a 'hero' CEO.

Unicorns who burn cash are out of favor. And, the auto world has pivoted to EL. Tesla blew their multi year lead, their cash, their ability to raise money at a reasonable cost, and most of all their credibility.

If you want a proof point, find an body shop that is approved for Tesla repair. Ask them how long they have had to wait for parts, fenders, etc. And, how often they get mis-shipments. Classic sign of a consumer durable company in trouble is when they cannot afford to stock replacement parts, or have competent supply system.

Best hope is a Chinese buyout. But, likely at a much lower share price if not BK.

Party is over, punchbowl is empty.
Andreas Hopf profile picture
Mind you, the punch bowl will be filled with around $4 billion cash at the end of the year, even after the SolarCity $566 million bond redemption.
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How much cash when they bring the payables current?
Bill Cunningham profile picture
"How much cash when they bring the payables current?"

@adpoland12

What makes you think the payables aren't current? What dollar amount do you think is not current? Why?
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The news that four year old Tesla's brick because of their computer system is not good news for those that paid $65k for their yard ornament.
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It's a $20 flash drive that has gone bad. Relax. @Lewis Bagwell
Jons Thoughts profile picture
@Long Term Tips Thanks for the series of articles. I am sure they were a lot of work and I thought they were quite good. Now of course I have a suggestion for additional work on your part (I'm much too lazy to do it myself). I think that it would be useful if you could use the knowledge you have gained from doing this research to put error bars on each of the key financial variables that lead into your final per share valuations for each year (i.e. gross margin,# of unit built, SG&A, etc.). Interestingly, I suspect that some error bars may not necessarily centered on the mean values you have used. At any rate, once you have your estimate for 3 sigma error bars, then you can develop an approximate probability distribution for each variable (there is freely available software that will do this for you). With these distributions you can then run a Monte Carlo simulation. The expected value of share price for each year would be interesting (and may not precisely match the average values you used), but I think the spread of these values would be of even greater interest.
You have done a lot of excellent work and you started down the road of capturing some of the uncertainty when you looked at the result if demand comes in at 75% or 50% of your estimate. I think that there is more information that can be captured and you have done most of the work to get there. Thanks again for the effort!
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I wonder if the writer of this article seriously understands what most people use pick up trucks for. Being able to plug in the compressor to 240 V is not a high demand request, nor is being able to fling the truck around corners like a sports car.
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Pickups need high torque, and electric motors provide it. Many use trucks for work and being able to run 240/120 volt tools is a very desirable. Good handling is a normal feature of trucks but that doesn't make it a negative. It is a freebie coming from Tesla's inherently better weight distribution. Additionally, highly desirable 4 wheel drive can be executed better/cheaper using EV design
@bull_rider : "I wonder if the writer of this article seriously understands what most people use pick up trucks for."
--- I question your perception of what the modern pickup truck driver does with their truck.

The modern pickup truck is a luxury car that happens to also be able to carry heavy loads and tow big trailers. The half- and three-quarter-ton trucks are more commonly used as consumer runabouts and RV-haulers and not heavy-duty workers. Some go so far as to be literal offices on wheels, rather than constantly manning a mobile office-type trailer--which that same pickup truck can put into place on a construction job site. The reason you see so many on the roads is that they're big and comfortable and tend to carry the largest engines available. Obviously there is a huge group of individuals who prefer this kind of comfort and power over smaller vehicles.

And as @gliderboy_ said, having the ability to plug in or charge power tools without the need for a standalone generator is an advantage, especially for a sub-contractor who uses personalized tools. And having massive torque available means that towing up to the vehicle's limit is a lot easier with electric than it is with diesel or gas, since maximum torque is available to START the load, not just accelerate it.
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@Vulpine
"--- I question your perception of what the modern pickup truck driver does with their truck."

95% of them drive them as a regular vehicle or something that can lug around bigger items than fit into a SUV like a (snicker) Model 3.

They do not need torque to move 300,000 pounds. I have owned several pickup trucks and am about to buy another. I have never felt any lack of 'torque' and that suggestion that still more is needed is pretty funny. For those who have to pull a large trailer all mfr's offer very beefy diesels with more than enough torque.
Zhongjian Xia profile picture
Price will go up fast, once Tesla/Musk show sustained profitability, with Gig 3 and Model Y in 2020. P/E will once again price it as a high tech growth company, 50+ most likely. Expect price to reach 500+ by end of 2020. Model 3 is winning more and more people over, especially those young. Those shorts who never test drive once are just like those old street analysts who loved Nokia, Blackberry, Kodak, GE, now IBM....They know the past well, which is the only thing they know
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'Winning more people over'
Lost a couple around here. Poor fit/finish and a screen that intermittently goes blank. If you REALLY WANT a Tesla, buy an S off of lease. The 3 is a POS...
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@Ivote
"If you REALLY WANT a Tesla, buy an S off of lease. The 3 is a POS..."

But a used Model S is more likely to randomly and unpredictably burst into flames, or brick it's computer.
Each model is laughably awful in its own way.
Andrew86 profile picture
@Long Term Tips

Be interested in holders views about sales numbers. Musk is saying 3Million by 23. Article is far lower than that-nearly half. My understanding is Freemont might be capable of 1M. Anyone know China capability?
@Andrew86 : "Be interested in holders views about sales numbers. Musk is saying 3Million by 23. Article is far lower than that-nearly half. My understanding is Freemont might be capable of 1M. Anyone know China capability?"

Let's look at this from a different direction. You're currently assuming that Musk is saying, "3 million per year by '23." What if instead he is saying, "a total of 3 million sold by '23" That's a much easier number to reach, since they've already managed around 500 thousand or so up to now--maybe more.

This misperception has been seen here before, where he has given a 'number sold by...' meaning total since the beginning while others believe he meant, 'number sold in' a given year. His statements also haven't been totally clear, especially when taken out of context. But then, hindsight should be 20/20 and in almost every case up to now it's pretty clear he's been talking about total sales, not annual sales, when he forwards such a large number. Right now it looks like his "...reach 1 million in 2020" will come true, taking all previous sales into account.
Solar Investing profile picture
@Futurist1 Optimistic article? Sure! The author has a good reason for his optimism. The rabble of nattering nabobs of negativism has been wrong for the last 15 years -- look for the trend to continue. Tesla is now moving into global markets and initial signs indicate they will succeed there too!

www.mining.com/...

Where else can you buy a car for under $40K that can go 130 mph, accelerates 0-60 in 5.2 secs (or less), and gets 130 mpg (equivalent), can go anywhere in the U.S. without range anxiety, lets you watch Netflix (parked only), and has no emissions? There is much more as any Tesla owner can tell you.

I didn't use to be a fan but driving one of these dream machines for a few weeks converted me.
Stilldazed profile picture
@Solar Investing

"I didn't use to be a fan but driving one of these dream machines for a few weeks converted me."

Liking the product doesn't mean the company is a good investment.
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“The rabble...has been wrong”

Um. Tesla is pretty far away from its peak. And I count the success of a business by its profits and nothing else, just like how the real world does. So...Tesla is pretty far from a successful business.
Where can you buy a car for $50,000 with peeling paint, misaligned panels, self igniting batteries and wheels that literally fall off the frame? Where can you spend $50,000 and get horrible customer service, slow repairs and exorbitant insurance rates? Only one place.

If you actually bought a Tesla, you’ll find out soon enough. You’ve been Musked(TM).
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