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Uh huh. Long SCCO.
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I was able to buy in during the recession for about $15 so my yoic is 16% and my position has probably been returned over 100% in divvies. A strong company in a solid commodity business and well positioned in the market. I feel like we're riding the froth here as this consolidates and then makes a quick move to $100 by the end of the year. In between $95 and$100 is where I'd take profits but I suspect the pullback from there to be no more than 15% or so. There's so much stimulus right now and copper is poised to benefit in multiple industries. The near term price pressure is more trading related than systemic, i.e. with hotter sectors seeing inflows and miners taking a breather after big run ups.
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@myiowahome

Good luck, you may get your $100 why not.
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@vulture54 - yes... SCCO went up promptly after his call to take profits in January.
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You might want to correct your table; 773 million shares outstanding, not 773 billion.
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@Office Rat

Thank you, for your help. It is corrected now.
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There's no way that copper goes lower in the medium to long-term (2-5 years). If you believe in the electrification thesis, then copper goes higher, much higher. You can try and sell and then buy back later, but that's a fools game in a market that's still in an uptrend. You won't be able to buy back. Right now, we're pulling back because the Chinese are using up their stockpiles instead of buying. They always try to impact the commodity prices they need. Good strategy, but they can't do that forever. Production is not increasing in any meaningful manner anytime soon.
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@TH8ADK

We will see... Tomorrow is a promise to no one. Trade your long-term position by setting fair targets on the sell and the buy side. If you do not, it is you and your pocket. I wish you luck.
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@Fun Trading
Agree with the trading aspect. But instead of getting in and out, I sold some calls for Aug and Jan at much higher prices. If they get called away, then I'll be happy with the price I get for the shares. If not, I keep the premium. Maybe it's just me and I'm not good at the trading in and out. But as Clint said: "A man's got to know his limitations".
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@TH8ADK

No problem. Yes, using options is a good alternative, but many individual investors do not understand it. Trading is a more direct and efficient way to manage your long position. Take about 30% and sell/buy at key TA events. It is an easy way of getting extra gain and reducing your long position average without extra effort. If you use the RSI 30/70, you can double your gain and reduce your average by 20% in a year with as little as 10-15 trades a year. SCCO is a strong copper miner perfectly adapted for this strategy.
Best of luck!
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While copper has been at $3.26 , it's spent the last month over $4.00 ($4.16 last I checked) . The people I talk too are saying, while copper has been in high demand (hence the price), if Biden's plan goes through into fruition, there could be 6x as much production and that still might not be enough. When "trading" a stock instead of "investing", sometimes you don't get the pullback you're looking for and end up out of the game. Just food for thought while contemplating selling.
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@webchow

Copper has been strong since early January but if you read the two articles that I referenced you can see that we are coming to a peak starting now. I think copper is now overbought and should retrace. It is time to take profits.
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@Fun Trading
Time will tell. I simply wanted to point out that being a trader (hands on with regular buying and selling) vs an investor (long term buy and hold), takes a different mindset. Once a stock is sold, there's no guarantee you'll be able to get back in at a lower price, or if that lower price hits, you miss it or it's simply not low enough for what you wanted (pulls back 5% vs 15% expected). Then you're out of the game. There's also taxable short term gains to contend with when trading vs investing. While copper may be overbought, I believe the long term is higher, much higher. While trading this stock may boost short term returns 10-15%, I don't beleive that justifies the risk or tax consequences. But every investor is different. I wish you well with this.
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@webchow

I have managed a significant family portfolio for over three decades (nearly half a $billion now) now retired... I am not a "trader"; I am an investor who trades his long positions. What you are saying is not making sense for a professional like me.

However, it is your prerogative, and you invest the way you want. I am not here to educate you or change your mind. In fact, this article is addressed to my subscribers and at their request. Use the info to the best of your ability while it is free. Let me know how many articles describing the fundamentals you got on this company for free...

Good luck!
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SCCO is one that I don't plan on overthinking. I've owned for many years and will continue to do so.

Yes, copper prices will surge and pull back, wax and wane, go up and down. But the longer term direction is upwards. Like a good solid 10 years of upwards.

Strong balance sheet, decent dividend, largest reserves and the lowest cost copper producer. What else do you want to own in this space?
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@davidbdc

Most of what you said is correct. However, it is important to take profits now. I mean a certain % and wait eventually for a retracement. However, if you do not want to trade your long position, you should at least use some options to protect your winning position.
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@Fun Trading
I bought Southern Copper for $7 I believe back in 2003? or so. I've had the discipline to simply hold it and its worked out well. I see another 10 years of mostly bullish copper prices and see no reason to do anything other than hold.

If it somehow got to $150-$175 based on something like $7 copper then I'd have to think about selling. But since SCCO pays out a dividend I see no reason to be messing around with options.
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@davidbdc

It is your choice, but many investors like you ended up losing a great deal.
I can't believe I am having this discussion again.
The issue is to trade regularly your long position by selling a part at key points and buy back after a healthy retracement happens.
What you said is clearly one-sided, and it is hazardous. I had the same discussion years ago. You can't suppose that SCCO will indefinitely go up, and you have to protect your paper profit either by taking real profit from time to time or using options. You are playing roulette Russe here, but your odds are in your favor 5/6 so far. Stay long enough in the market, and you will die.
However, it is your money and your decision, and I respect it.
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