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It's Hard To Be A BlackBerry Shareholder

Jan. 04, 2022 8:05 AM ETBlackBerry Limited (BB), BB:CA1.24K Comments
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Summary

  • BlackBerry delivered another unimpressive quarter.
  • Business is stagnant and the closing of the licensing deal is delayed (yet again!).
  • It's not easy to find good reasons to stay invested in this company.
  • Management should focus on the IoT business abandon the rest.

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BlackBerry (NYSE:BB) reported its fiscal 2022 third quarter results a few weeks ago, adding another chapter to the company's long list of mediocre financial reports. Software & Services revenue was up 6% year-over-year and even a bit more quarter-over-quarter. The

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crazylikebudfox profile picture
Fisker's 10K (pg 11) shows a diagram of company's "edge computing platform" for its SUV EV set for a Nov'22 SOP. It's exactly a use case for IVY. Obviously haven't disclosed a BB deal. Was Fisker able to develop this in-house and/or by using generally available systems/tech?

www.sec.gov/...
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@crazylikebudfox :

Thanks for the heads-up. Due to the nature of the business, these type of deals are very confidential. Due to Fisker’s small size and heavy use of QNX in the past, I would be very sceptical of “in-house” development by Fisker.

Another recent deal of keen interest is Sony expanding it’s automotive reach after announcing it’s recent relationship with Blackberry at CES a couple of years ago. Japan's Sony, Honda joining forces to develop and sell EVs seekingalpha.com/...
Zack 800 profile picture
I agree with John Chen…

"For the eight years I’ve been here, I have never sold one share outside of tax withholding. To me, my long term is long term. Eight years and I haven’t sold a share. In fact, I have bought shares on the open market. I’m not a short-term trading type of person. Yes, it is part of my compensation, but I figured that if I build enough value with a company, those shares will be worth a hell of a lot more than today."

"Why sell now?"

'CEO John Chen on BlackBerry’s pivot to cybersecurity, his undying love of keyboards, and why he doesn’t know his stock price'

"I would admit that the process of change has been quite extreme. It’s taken longer than I expected. But we are definitely making progress every day. We’re in two very high growth markets — cyber and IoT (internet of things). We have a position in each market that isn’t just trivial. Everybody knows QNX, the brand (the BlackBerry OS used in the majority of electric vehicles). We have a very strong position. We need to work out a few things and then, we’ll be growing.

The most important thing is consistency and making sure that the financial underpinning of the company is strong. This year, we have spent cash and carried a loss because we’re making a big investment in both of these businesses. We will continue to do that until we see solid growth. Whether I’m a success here, or not, for the last eight years — I’ll leave it to the audience to decide.

If I had to defend the team, I think we’ve taken something that was unfortunately on its dying breath into a strong and kicking company. Yes, we would want it to be a lot bigger. No question."

www.thestar.com/...
GreenEggs&Ham profile picture
@Zack 800 "Why sell now?
'CEO John Chen on BlackBerry’s pivot to cybersecurity, his undying love of keyboards, and why he doesn’t know his stock price'"

First off Chen used an iPhone as did his wife when he came to BB. So once again Chen is blshting people as is his habit.

And yeah, why sell now, the stock hasn't done jack spit since he took over. Fridays close it was .22 cents above the price on the day he became CEO 9+ years ago.

And dying breath? He is obviously talking about hardware which instead of resuscitating he made damn sure it was dead after claiming he would make phones profitable again on several occasions.

Chen had great success at Sybase much to do with timing and placing a big bet on wireless.

He's been an utter disaster at BlackBerry.
Nobody believes in this man. The BB boards are a good indicator of this.

Even most long time bulls want him gone.
Zack 800 profile picture
@GreenEggs&Ham "Even most long time bulls want him gone."

Care to share who they are?

It is hard to imagine being a long time bull and wanting John Chen gone.

If not for John Chen BB would have gone bankrupt, hard to be a BB long time bull with a bankrupt company...
GreenEggs&Ham profile picture
@Zack 800 "If not for John Chen BB would have gone bankrupt, hard to be a BB long time bull with a bankrupt company..."

You have no idea if BB would have gone bankrupt with another choice of CEO. Thats just total baloney.

You read these boards and no darn well bulls have been calling for him to be gone.

mag1205 is one of many.

In regard to you believing Chen...

The expression "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me" comes to mind.
Zack 800 profile picture
Shim Manning of Solofi, speaks as a member of the BlackBerry IVY Advisory Council.

'Connected vehicles drive new streams of revenue and insights'

(Shim Mannan is the global head of services sales enablement at Solifi, a global fintech software partner for auto finance (formerly known as IDS, White Clarke Group, and William Stucky & Associates).

*Advisory council members invited to join include AWS, GEICO, Azure, Qualcomm, Deloitte, Netflix, Prime Video, Amazon Alexa, Solifi and several others*

"BlackBerry created an advisory council to help drive and accelerate smart mobility innovation and shape the future of how vehicles are valued, paid for, managed, repaired and optimized. Comprised of leading companies across the transportation and mobility industry, the BlackBerry IVY advisory council’s purpose is to accelerate the creation of high-impact technology use cases and solutions that leverage in-vehicle data. These council members help drive the BlackBerry IVY roadmap, focusing on co-value development with a view to address key pain points that OEMs are looking to solve. Advisory council members invited to join include AWS, GEICO, Azure, Qualcomm, Deloitte, Netflix, Prime Video, Amazon Alexa, Solifi and several others."

"As one of the newest members of the BlackBerry IVY Advisory Council and the first finance technology provider, Solifi will serve as the voice and advocate for the global automotive finance industry, which includes OEMs, banks and independent automotive financing firms"

www.autofinancenews.net/...
GreenEggs&Ham profile picture
@Zack 800

The author..."Shim Mannan is the global head of services sales enablement at Solifi, a global fintech software partner for auto finance (formerly known as IDS, White Clarke Group, and William Stucky & Associates)."

So the only other company on that BlackBerry advisory council aside from BB (all the others are "invited") just happens to be Solifi and lo and behold the head of services and sales for them wrote this fluff piece.

Here, read up on this scam, I er mean company.

en.wikipedia.org/...
sfinvestor profile picture
@Zack 800

It takes 1 hour per quarter to commit to the council. Unless someone actually put mult-billions in actual $$, IVY is just talking point.
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@Zack 800 :

So, Solifi is now called a “scam” by GreenEggs because of a lawsuit 18 years ago (2003) regarding a competitor who was unsuccessful in buying Solifi’s previously iteration (IDS)? www.bizjournals.com/... This competitor, Capital Stream Inc didn’t even make it past 2008. www.hcltech.com/...
sfinvestor profile picture
What's the point of releasing Ivy 1.0 this month when version 0.7 and 0.8 is already met with a collective yawn reviewed by one intern?

IVY, is DOA. Another of JC's idea completely driven into the ground.
Zack 800 profile picture
@sfinvestor
January 2022

'BlackBerry and PATEO Announce Strategic Collaboration to Deliver Integrated Digital Cockpit Solution Featuring BlackBerry IVY for the Chinese Market'

"As part of the agreement, the two companies will work with a leading Chinese automobile manufacturer to set up a pilot project on the automaker’s all-electric model lineup. The expanded relationship is built on an existing collaboration between the two sides that leverages BlackBerry® QNX® technology alongside PATEO’s integration expertise to deploy advanced solutions for the Digital Cockpit market in China. BlackBerry IVY will be integrated within PATEO’s Digital Cockpit solution to deliver Service-Oriented Architecture (SOA) solutions."

www.blackberry.com/...
sfinvestor profile picture
@Zack 800

"Following the successful completion of the project, the Chinese automobile manufacturer will seek to integrate the BlackBerry IVY - PATEO solution along with Electra Vehicles’ EVE-Ai Software into its next-generation all-electric model lineup."

"Seek to integrate" is another way of saying TBD. or soft, but definite no.

IVY does not have a singular customer and no even close to one.
Zack 800 profile picture
@sfinvestor "Following the successful completion of the project, the Chinese automobile manufacturer will seek to integrate the BlackBerry IVY - PATEO solution along with Electra Vehicles’ EVE-Ai Software into its next-generation all-electric model lineup"

You are basing your speculation on 'seek'.

Just ignore everything thing else and concentrate on 'seek'

Really?

You think if the collaboration is not successful that IVY won't be used? Why would Pateo even bother? That makes no sense...
GreenEggs&Ham profile picture
You have to admit, the title says it all.
Perhaps Andreas Hopf is correct, BB investors are "masochists"?
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@GreenEggs&Ham and CRWD still green.

Did BB send over a free janitor for US gov't? So many certifications for US Govt and during the times of cyber war, yet BB keeps dropping and revenues not growing.
mag1205 profile picture
@Zumant

BlackBerry trashed Cylance & they have nothing to sell except QNX which has slowed down since Pandemic started in early 2020.
Z
Crwd still green and BB down 4% almost and another new low.
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Around 2B market cap should be the bottom to ride it out. Chen's 9 year achievement.
mag1205 profile picture
@Zumant

Chen should part his company while BB is still having some value left.
He has decimated BlackBerry with his million stupid partnerships & none to monetize so far?
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@mag1205 Maybe Racer-x should draft a letter of apology and resignation for JC.
mag1205 profile picture
@rla246

I shall second that.

Chen is the problem at BlackBerry & NOT A SOLUTION ANYMORE.
BB is trading at $6.34 and what a disaster Chen has created.
He must leave BB or P.Watsa must fire him.
crazylikebudfox profile picture
Time for another downward revision of QNX license expectations? Might be in cards given this commentary today from Sonic, one of the nation's largest auto dealers:

"We got some unfortunate news yesterday from some of the manufacturers, Toyota, Lexus, BMW included that they're cutting back some of the allocation for February and March due to microchip shortages...Yesterday was a bit of a surprise, to be quite honest with you. We were not expecting that."
Elicc profile picture
@crazylikebudfox one word : recession ( not microchip shortage)
mag1205 profile picture
@Elicc

Let's NOT go there YET.

There is NO recession.
Elicc profile picture
Covid lockdown, semiconductors shortage, russian war, Don't blame Chen, he's just an unlucky guy... same as BB
mag1205 profile picture
@Elicc
I honestly don't know WHY P.Watsa is keeping Chen this longas CEO without any uptick in BB SP since he took over way back in 2013?
Elicc profile picture
@mag1205 Chen sings the Watsa's song.
I blame Chen because officially he is CEO but unofficially Watsa is the conductor IMO.
mag1205 profile picture
@Elicc

Yup
Both are responsible but Chen is dispensable because P. Watsa is the majority owner of BlackBerry.
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3B market cap achieved. Bravo Chen. Going 9 years and this is what he got going to shareholders.
mag1205 profile picture
@Zumant

BB market cap is heading DOWN some more.
Now I see $6 much sooner than I anticipated last year.

Chen must go or be fired.
Zack 800 profile picture
'The 5G BlackBerry is dead as OnwardMobility loses rights to BlackBerry name'

www.androidpolice.com/...

Sfinvestor was right...
sfinvestor profile picture
@Zack 800

Onward didn’t have money to change a lightbulb. That is fact and that was fact the day the deal was signed.

I find it fascinating, how JC signed this deal knowing the counter party is broke. That’s on JC. He looks really awful signing deals with a bum and the news cycle is laughing at jc.

I just use common sense , if it takes $300 bucks to launch a 5g phone, there would be 400millon new phone launch every year. Onward try to swindle investor money and nothing more. No one on this green earth thought putting money into this is anything than lighting money on fire. I’m glad onward didn’t get funding and swindle done poor soul.
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@sfinvestor :

I have been involved in business scenarios as an active selling party, counter to what you claim. You can indeed create a business relationship where the manufacturer, FIH Mobile/Foxconn assumes a majority of the risk especially if OnwardMobility brings forward a very interested corporate buyer. Here are facts that you are not bringing forward or are unaware of:

- Tech Odyssey signed an NDA with OnwardMobility disclosing that FIH/Foxconn went as far as making a sample to embrace the private sector. That shoots down your theory that “Onward didn’t have the money to change a lightbulb” https://youtu.be/ZQTxt9aK1Gk
- TechOdyssey disclosed a stumbling block of acceptance was an enterprise driven device needed to be more consumer friendly; a barrier many of us knew might exist.
- Chen has always been resistant to being exposed to the hardware industry since the day he was hired. It was a fireside chat with fellow alumni CEO Brian Moynihan $BAC where Moynihan suggested Chen look at resurrecting a smartphone association which Chen seemed to warm to. I am in no way claiming this was the catalyst for the OnwardMobility relationship but the timing is very interesting and was pushed forward by many investment sites.
- “Onward try to swindle investor money” is an extremely disingenuous statement as per my first bullet point. There are many examples to cite a desire for a corporate smartphone device which is sorely lacking. The $MSFT Surface Duo is the closest but lacks years of expertise $BB phones were famous for. This alone is a catalyst to make this happen and not your “Onward is trying to swindle money” position.
- We both agree this was a low percentage success, but how you paint “JC as doing business with a bum” just wreaks of desperation of your attempt to paint this as negatively as possible.
sfinvestor profile picture
@~BigZ~

"You can indeed create a business relationship where the manufacturer, FIH Mobile/Foxconn assumes a majority of the risk especially if OnwardMobility brings forward a very interested corporate buyer."

This is ridiculous, FIH won't be building that phone unless funding is 125% secured and will take absolutely no risk of the inventory. Onward mobility have enough money to pay for two dozen phones.

"Tech Odyssey signed an NDA with OnwardMobility disclosing that FIH/Foxconn went as far as making a sample to embrace the private sector. That shoots down your theory that “Onward didn’t have the money to change a lightbulb”

I am laughing so hard it is not funny. So let me get this straight, Adam which says the phone is absolutely coming, the most impressive hardware he has seen and other orgasmic quote is your source of truth? LMFAO, I don't pay attention to wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong.

"Chen has always been resistant to being exposed to the hardware industry since the day he was hired."

Chen has been resistant to risk as he never put money into it. The least commitment offloading to FoXconn then TCL then OM. He has shown he will sign any deal no matter how minuscule and squeeze that cow to death. With the OM cow, there was never milk and even JC can't have a deal that amounts to 0 licensing. It has nothing with him pulling the plug, there was no milk even without pulling the plug. lol

“Onward try to swindle investor money” is an extremely disingenuous statement as per my first bullet point. There are many examples to cite a desire for a corporate smartphone device which is sorely lacking.

They did not raise a funding round beyond seed money. It was obvious they are peddling this for series B that never came. What do you think OM was up to the last 18 months, designing the device, lol?, all they have been up to is getting funding, and not secured.

"but how you paint “JC as doing business with a bum” just wreaks of desperation of your attempt to paint this as negatively as possible."

OM is a bum. How much many millions do they have in the bank and how many phones have they bought to market? donut and donut. That is a counter-party that is essentially a bum with no history of making phones and no capital to make one.

The only snippet that is relevant is JC can't have any more paperweights slapped with the BB name and logo anymore. It is terrible for business and make their brand a complete joke. duh, I said this since 2016, these paperweights won't help them sell security, and it took JC 5 years to figure this out (I said all along these paperweights hurt their brand). Again, JC is 5 years too late of common sense. It will take him until 2026 to change the corporate name away from Blackberry as that brand is damaged beyond the paperweights, it's a name with no gravitas and just plain handcuff.
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Did blackberry not get invited ? I see crowdstrike, Microsoft and many others.
www.dhs.gov/...
Zack 800 profile picture
@Zumant Crwd was not invited either...
Z
Chen killed off onwardmobility. it was going to be a priv style phone. No more

www.androidpolice.com/...
GreenEggs&Ham profile picture
@Zumant " it was going to be a priv style phone"

Chen did them a favor?
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@GreenEggs&Ham
In addition to "amazing" shareholder 8 year returns
1. Chen botched patent sale - even a lower than expected sale price not locked in. Pending due to financing. Thats over 1 year.

2. Chen botched avaya twtr snap and now FB lawsuit. Wasted time and money to go through lawsuits WHEN patents are being sold anyways. So his old patents did not stand up in courts. He wasted time and retail sentiment. In the end new buyer might even walk away blaming the financing.

3. Who remembers ROLO. the BBM reincarnation. Whatsapp killer. He mentioned it. Well that project went nowhere.

4. 5G blackberry. indirectly he was fond of this project. Project started with BBs support for sure. That went away.

5. Thats in addition to "great" cylance demise and many more.

In the end 2023 Chen will leave with Watsa taking it private at less than $10 and uber bulls here will still be celebrating like 10 years was great for shareholders.

Meanwhile all this time Chen is screaming TURNAROUND COMPLETE, UNDERVAULED and goes on to sell 3M shares in the lows.
colorado buff profile picture
@Zumant I agree I think this company goes private after Chen leaves. Also Orem
Had to have gotten his investment back due to the bond interest he got
Zack 800 profile picture
Anyone interested in more BB 'hype'

Zumant is very good at announcing share price comparisons between the competing vendors so a product comparison might be helpful for those interested.

If your are interested in knowing why BB differs from other cyber security vendors BB has a comparison list included with this post

Below is a sample, the real comparisons are listed in link...

•Crowdstrke

"Cloud-based signatures and reputation scanning are unavailable and ineffective when you’re offline. That’s why BlackBerry cybersecurity uses Cylance AI to proactively detect and prevent new ransomware at the endpoint before it executes—for protection online or off."

•McAfee

"Cloud-based signatures and reputation scanning are unavailable and ineffective when you’re offline. That’s why BlackBerry cybersecurity uses Cylance AI to detect new ransomware at the endpoint—for protection online or off."

•Symantec

"When there’s a cyberattack, milliseconds matter. That’s why BlackBerry cybersecurity uses Cylance AI to proactively detect and prevent new ransomware at the endpoint before it executes—for protection online or off."

•SentinelOne

"Performance matters. Which is why BlackBerry cybersecurity uses a fraction of your computing resources while running on your network’s endpoints. By comparison, SentinelOne’s larger footprint requires more resources and network bandwidth to stay up to date, leaving you with less."

•Microsoft Defender

"Performance matters. Which is why BlackBerry cybersecurity uses a fraction of your computing resources while running on your network’s endpoints. By comparison, Microsoft Defender’s larger footprint requires more resources and network bandwidth, leaving you with less."

"NEED MORE PROOF? WATCH BLACKBERRY EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY OUTPERFORM CROWDSTRIKE."

www.blackberry.com/...
GreenEggs&Ham profile picture
@Zack 800 BB 7.23
Thats all that matters.
Elicc profile picture
@Zack 800 And now ask yourself, why? ... to better understand the world in which Chen's incompetence pushes us.
If you ever go to the Sahara, I'm sure you'll wonder why it's not raining.
8 years cuted from longs life
mag1205 profile picture
@GreenEggs&Ham

BB $7.03 NOW.
Cheers
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Cloudflare - Boom up 6% AH. Up 50% from recent 52 week lows.
Just like CYBRark - amazing earnings 50% growth YoY
CRWD closed green today.

What happened to BB? The mutt of the cyber stocks. Chen keeps buying buyging athocs cylances and so on and cant produce growth.
But of course its the pandemic. Cant make money in pandemic. Need boots on the ground. At this point he needs a boot up you know where. Take his 3M shares and get out.
Its a joke how cyber divisions' excuses are here due to pandemic. If not pandemic then to the moon. Yet NET and CYBR and others are booming.
Strange their bosses make money not excuses.

Chen cant even complete a patent sale cleanly. Always excuses. Now 6 month wait of maybe there is financing. Maybe Yasch Aloy and others should reduce their wages and donate some money to finance the patents.
Z
Nice cyber tech rally today.
CRWD S NET TWLO ZS OKTA ..... and BB trying to maintain a 4 penny gain.
mag1205 profile picture
@Zumant

Chen is on a selling spree of his FREE BB shares and has already collected $78 million and has put more BB shares to be sold in the next 52 weeks worth almost $100 million more and he will still have plenty of God given free BB shares to become the highest paid executive. What a crying shame for these pigs to fleece BlackBerry investors equity before he walks out or gets FIRED?
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@mag1205 I wouldn't be surprised if that was to happen that Yasch, aloy and some others would disappear. As if the social marketing gig is up.
Chen got paid. Watsa got paid. BB shareholders got nill.
mag1205 profile picture
@Zumant

VERY TRUE.

I am sure all the new hires at BlackBerry get plenty of FREE BB shares who are going to cash in just like Chen in the months ahead & let BlackBerry be put tp pastures.

Have a nice weekend
Zack 800 profile picture
'Protecting Critical Infrastructure: BlackBerry Joins with CISA to Secure Crucial National Resources' | MarketScreener

m.marketscreener.com/...
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@~BigZ~ CYBRark up 6% this morning due to a great ER.

finance.yahoo.com/...

What's your opinion on why CYBR is not having as much difficulty as BB?
1. CYBR is not a recent IPO.
2. in 5 years it quadrupled.
3. up 50% since the recent 52 week lows.
4. Revenues been growing each year 18/19/20.... which includes pandemic.

Cylance has been bought and integrated a while back. It's not an excuse anymore.
BB had multiple sales teams trying to crack the selling.
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@Zumant :

My opinion is you should buy all the stocks you comp against $BB, and you comp on a regular basis. If you believe so much in $CYBR, then buy it.
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@~BigZ~ reason again is that argument for BB that it's in a pandemic. It's hard but somehow not so hard for other cyber companies. You are defending or blaming BBs lack of performance on pandemic when I presented the opposite. Pandemic is global so all businesses are affected.
Rather maybe Chen is failing at growing the business before during and after the pandemic since we are easing restrictions away and clearly cyber business has been picking up (in addition to growing during the pandemic).
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@Zumant :

I am offering my opinion, that is all; but it obviously resonates with you. Read the latest quarterly 10Q page 35 seekingalpha.com/... If you do not agree with it, then you should take the appropriate financial measures that best suit your beliefs.

You and I have taken vastly different approaches to investing in $BB. If you think the just-before-the-pandemic acquisition of Cylance at a massive discount means that everything is A-okay with the pandemic not being an influencer; then you are in disagreement with the 10Q.

You need to sort this out, not me.
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Premarket BB is pennies from a new 52 week low.
Meanwhile when compared to CRWD lets say which is also down premarket BUT overall still up 20% from 52 week lows.

So yeah somehow BB leads the drops but lags in recovery.
Meanwhile years of patent sale is a dud.
FB lawsuit a dud.
CES2022 a dud.
Chen selling shares is the only guaranteed win for Chen that is.

This is just the beginning of 2022.
I want 2021 back since BB did better then.
Or maybe 2020 since that was even better.
or 2019
or 2018..

please can we just go back.
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TWLO tops revenues. Thats how BB should report it. Yoy 50% growth. 50M quarterly beat and so on. Profitable for 2023.

www.barrons.com/...

Instead its beat by 1M. Wow. Constant excuses too.
what happened to pandemic? Somehow again only BB gets affected.
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