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Let's Wait A Little More Before Buying Palantir

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Summary

  • Palantir has immense opportunity as the world seeks to harness the power of the data.
  • The company has great software that delivers a sticky product, high margin, and a near-ubiquitous application to its service.
  • However, due to the absurd stock-based compensation and a high valuation, I believe it is better to wait a little more before buying Palantir.

Palantir Technologies headquarters campus exterior view in Silicon Valley. - Palo Alto, California, USA - 2019

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Introduction and Thesis

Our future is inevitably data. Since the age of the internet, digitalization in all aspects of our society has been ongoing creating massive amounts of data. In the future, the one that can harness

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Comments (86)

leveled.da profile picture
Didn't this company buy up a bunch of gold bars?
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ipex
08 Jan. 2022
@leveled.da
Yeah, they did buy up some boomie rocks.
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Because PLTR has fallen so much, the company will have to issue more SBC to true up to the $ value that was promised to employees. So, if the company’s strategy is to make SBC a big component of total compensation, dilution will go up more after shares fall. Double whammy to investors — higher dilution and falling share price.
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ipex
08 Jan. 2022
@midas_someday More like infinite whammy. Even if this company falls to zero, they would probably still think and attempt to issue more SBC into the negative would solve all of their problem, taking a page from JPow's infinite money printer glitch.
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ipex
08 Jan. 2022
SBC is the very reason I've grown annoyed and DUMPED all of my shares. I pay attention to what they DO, not what they SAY. And from their micro-subtle behaviors they have displayed, they are really shareholder-unfriendly. They want us to have their backs, yet they don't have ours.
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@Eric Lim Appreciate your article. It's a conundrum. Clearly an amazing product, with exaggerated SBC. Agree with your conclusion regarding SBC as a percentage of revenue, if falling it will help. Rising revenue and reduction in number of SBC shares would be additionally beneficial. The price falling shows that so far, PLTR cannot convince the market that a higher valuation is warranted with potentially rising interest rates. As investors, we have to decide whether we think PLTR will put the pieces together. If yes, buy now and average down if necessary. If now, stay away. Long PLTR, made money on some shares bought just after the IPO, am down 20%, adding shares on the way down.
sierranvin profile picture
It is self evident that the CEO Karp understands little or nothing about the stock market. As he massively dilutes the shares, the promised benefit to the employees whom we can only assume he might be retaining/recruiting with his stock giveaways is completely shrinking. As the stock sinks from dilution, there's no benefit for anyone, be it suffering shareholder or stock-compensated employee!
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Good luck landing or retaining talent without the absurd SBC.
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@mbacapitalist somehow the other companies manage it…
RickJensen profile picture
@mbacapitalist
All of the SBC goes to karp and the C-suite.
Wake up.
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@RickJensen judging by your statement I can tell you’ve never worked internally at a startup.
BenBminnesota profile picture
that is right on I had the phone in my hand on day one waited it went to 40 and now back to 18- would have been a quick trade did not need the tax bill- too bad could be a great stock but it is a great place to work-- cheers to them-- they Win we loose- you are right- been watching this company fo 10 plus years waiting for public offering and disappointed-- OH well. I also new about the iPhone before it broke but did not believe--
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I believe, strictly based on imagination, that Palantir has an astounding strategy that I have never heard described, although perhaps others have done so. I think they are getting paid to solve their customer's problems and making a small profit, and thereby creating an eventually enormously profitable library of specific applications that will be generically applicable to hundreds of other businesses. After the library is complete enough, they will use AI to sync their library of solutions to any business that walks in the door to solve their logistical/structural/legacy-IT problem with very little customization expense.

I worked at a huge aerospace company and am familiar with the nightmare of myriad information and work management systems that are unable to work together. Every other company in IT land is just another blind man trying to make a profit on what they think the relevant part of the elephant is. Palantir is making a box big enough package any elephant. But maybe I am wrong.
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@ONE FOOT The beginning of "Deep Thought" (the answer is 42). It WOULD take a PLTR to pull it off, though (...specific applications that will be generically applicable...) if anywhere near possible/desirable/legal/etc.
OURBILLS83 profile picture
don't forgent to mention a 'foundry for crypto'. PLTR'S TAM is getting bigger and bigger and contracts from private sector are growing.
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This article seems very poorly researched.

PLTR were totally transparent about the SBC that would occur in 2021 - even from the time of their DPO and in the DPO documentation it was clearly communicated.

Now is 2022, not 2021.

Further details on SBC past and present can be found here; twitter.com/...
BenBminnesota profile picture
@becomjapan so what difference that makes
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@becomjapan let’s see the SBC in 2022 before jumping to conclusions. If im a PLTR employee I’d want a nice juicy bonus in 2022 just as in 2021…

That’s the thing with fat bonuses, hard to discontinue them without royally pissing off the team.

Management has the right to dilute another ca. 20bn shares so let’s judge them by their actions…
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ipex
08 Jan. 2022
@DLudwig777
That’s the thing with fat bonuses, hard to discontinue them without royally pissing off the team.

Words of wisdom. Never instill an reward program if you can't maintain it. The pain of loss hurts more than the pain of no gain.
J
When Palantir stops doing the money dance, I will buy more…….
necto profile picture
agree.
William- Billy Hill profile picture
Agree on ridiculous amount of SBC. Dilution has been absurd. No business could perform well enough to offset this. I was will consider when it hits single digits(which won't take long).
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Good article granted the SBC is a problem. Probably the major issue. If you want to obsess over that and ignore great growth, strong commercial customer growth, an excellent product that is in high demand then don’t buy the stock.
None of you are Nostradamus, so the bottom is unknown. Throwing out numbers helps nobody. Maybe the stock hits 8. Maybe you came up with that throwing darts.
Adding small amounts at 16-18 does not seem illogical. Adding larger amounts at lower prices makes sense. If you are in for the long term at a cost average of 17 versus 14, that is not huge. Of course, you would like to buy as low as possible. Problem is nobody knows what the low will be.
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@RomeVVV >>Maybe the stock hits 8.<<

In a world where one plus one equals two, that may be so (stock hits 8)...but in my world, where the Mayor of NY city wants to be paid in Bitcoin, Foundry for Crypto alone is worth $8.00.
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Palantir shows no sign of reducing their SBC program, diluting investor shares.
Soon it will attain 'Monopoly Money' status. I'm out.
c
@cgold22 Not exactly. If you paid attention to the SBC vs revenue chart in this article, you should have realized that the Q3/21 SBC went down 4.6% from Q1 and 20.6% from Q2! Of course we will have to wait for the Q4 ER to find out if a down trend in SBC is being established.
Cautiously profile picture
@cgold22 Actually, SBC (and related dilution) has peaked:

twitter.com/...
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@ccchk82 A trend downward of SBC is certainly desirable for all stockholders, I'll wait.
RickJensen profile picture
Wait about a year. Then it should be obvious.
k
fair value PLTR is around 8 dollars
jara-mill profile picture
@karondongotbanned - And why is it $8 fair value?
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@jaramill Nostradamus how did you come up with 8? Throwing darts?
jara-mill profile picture
@RomeVVV I think you meant to reply to @karondongotbanned instead of me. I too was asking them the same question as you.
acpennington profile picture
Bear thesis: Unprofitable company with huge multiples, tons of insider selling, and a share structure that gives insiders permanent voting majorities.

Bull thesis: Yeah, but palantir does stuff with data.
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@acpennington not oversimplified at all
RickJensen profile picture
@acpennington
Sadly, you nailed it.
jara-mill profile picture
@RickJensen - For now, sadly...I must agree, but when blood in the streets, I'll take advantage of the garage sale.
I wonder if PLTR will end up in a viscous cycle where a lower share price means that they need to print more shares to retain top talent, lowering the share price, meaning they need to print more shares?
ankitp3490 profile picture
@Ian65959876876 Lower share price will hurt the management and everyone whose wealth s tied to PLTR stocks and options. When they realize SBC is the reason for the low valuation, they'll start tightening the SBC tap. So lower the stock value goes, the higher the chances this happens.
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ipex
08 Jan. 2022
@Ian65959876876 Palantir is taking a poor play from JPow's printer.
Doc 224899 profile picture
The elephant in the room that nobody is talking about is that there is no evidence of support in the chart between the IPO price and today's price, so that implies support at ~$10. That share price is absurd, but this is the sort of historical price data that corporate investors find it hard to ignore.
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@Doc 224899 if it gets close to $10 I am selling my organs for more shares.
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@Doc 224899 ...and the business as grown close to 50% since the listing too....
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ipex
08 Jan. 2022
@DerrickXIII Then watch it goes to $5 when they increase their SBC even more. They could probably at least show some sign of caring about investors, instead of thinking they're so high and mighty that it's an honor to invest in them. No, they should bow to us, investors, not the other way around.
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