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FSK is selling at a 21% discount to book value with a dividend payout ratio of only 39%, and sporting a 12.5% dividend yield. I guess people just refuse to believe in this company? I think it had a checkered past, but wasn't it turned around by new management?
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@wwn2001

How do you calculate the dividend payout ratio is only 39%??

And while I agree FSK is a high yielder, isn't the dividend yield based on todays closing price and their Q2 $0.63 dividend annualized actually 11.62%??
w
@Bekster I looked at Yahoo Finance, which granted is using the latest $0.68 dividend annualized, which probably shouldn't be counted on. The base dividend of $0.60 would yield 11.3%. They say they get their payout ratio from Morningstar, but it looks like Morningstar used the $0.60 x 4 to compute the payout ratio as well.
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The market will NEVER trade this anywhere near its NAV

Best for the shareholders is if this undergoes chapter 7 and liquidates. Shareholders then receive NAV. Yes, we'd make a bunch of money in a chapter 7.

May be the only way this makes money, as increasing NAV and dividends are not moving the needle at all
s
@houtrader,

“Best for the shareholders is if this undergoes chapter 7 and liquidates” LOL, we’re in a horrible market and you’re complaining.

About to receive a .68 distribution in early July. Take the opportunity the market is giving you and buy in small blocks and continue until a bottom is formed. Been adding all day and will continue as we move with the market.

As Buffet says, be greedy when others are fearful.

Greg
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@stonergreg13 best thing to do with the divy if you bought higher is to SELL before ex dividend day, then buy back on ex dividend day. You'll likely get more than 68 cents and you won't be paying tax on it. It will adjust your cost basis as a wash sale
Jill5904 profile picture
@houtrader You mean buy back the day BEFORE ex div day. If you buy a stock ON ex day you won't get the div.
g
can someone clarify the relative advantages of kkr , fsk , kref ? in what situation would one buy each vs other ?
S
Do you have to file a k1 with the fake divy?
s
@Scott Wells,

My .63 was very real!

Greg
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@stonergreg13 that was auto correct. I meant is there a k-1 with the fsk Divy?
s
@Scott Wells,

No K1, issues a 1099.

Greg
captaindividend profile picture
The buy/sell spread seems v high (approx 5$) via my uk trading account - is this normal?
Pablo profile picture
@captaindividend One USA penny here 0.01$. My GUESS in UK, because our market was not open yet. Check now.
captaindividend profile picture
@Pablo Thanks - checked it out - seems to be broker pricing display error - actual trade goes through with minimal spread. Slowly adding here for the divi
DeeringBanjo profile picture
I'm a happy distribution collector. I became familiar with KKR when it took over a distressed company in which I had bonds. They tendered (not mandatory) to buy the bonds at market, but I held onto mine, which produced a big windfall later. FSK entered my portfolio as a result. They 'conveniently' paid an April 2020 dividend which, combined with other $$, allowed me to reduce my cost basis.
g
I have a full helping of FSK and so far, so good. As of several years. Since before the merger anyway. I didn't know quite what to expect and felt it was a bit of a gamble. But, I've had the parent KKR since 2013 and it's done really well. The performance there prompted me to buy KREF also. And it's held up just fine. To date.

And I have other BDCs. Some have done well, some not so much. So I took the chance. Bought a like number of shares in ORCC as well. Two big ones.

In my opinion, size matters a lot with these. They have the mass and strength to bull on through the inevitable rough spots and times. Who stands behind them is also real significant. KKR would find it real embarrassing for their offspring to flounder. Intolerable I hope. I count on that.

KKR could I suppose refer some business to FSK. Don't know how that works but it'd make sense with customers or cases KKR doesn't want themselves. It'd be "whatever helps FSK also helps KKR".

And the dividend here is magnifico. If large to the point of almost concerning. Almost too much money.

Of course I've heard that old market saying, that any div yield of 10% or more is unsustainable. But. Bottom line is so far FSK has been climbing walls of worry on that score.

..it also has a rather cool multi-colored logo...
R
I jumped on FSK pre-merger on predictions the joint BDC would pare costs and provide better focus and eliminate some of the laggards holding the two BDCs back. Have been pleasantly surprised and figure the continuing discount is based on residual doubts whether KKR and the revamped FSK will show improvement in its performance. So far so good.

Perhaps the high yield scares some folks off but other BDCs have a huge premium while FSK is still heavily discounted. Of course if a recession hits it may be a bumpy ride but FSK like most BDCs are primarily floating loans to benefit from the Fed rate hikes, and have locked in historically low rates on their debt.
ndardick profile picture
@RealRural Admittedly, borrowing at a low fixed rate while loaning on a floating rate basis can be rewarding in a rising interest rate environment, but increasing borrowing costs by customers can produce increasing default rates. FSK appears attractive but is not a no-brainer investment choice.
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What's holding back the stock : the FED raising rates ?
thebellsareringing profile picture
I have a full position in FSK,enjoying capital gains + the HY dividend. I remain long. Recent dividend was very good.
jansdirk profile picture
This one not for me.
Many others I prefer, yield looks too nice indeed
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Much easier to own at the much lower prices of $16.36 to $17.03 in DEC20 and JAN21.

I bought hoping management would do the post merger dividend at FSKR's $0.55/qtr. My calculation showed they could pay the management fees almost in whole each month or quarter. At the present dividend rate I think management still is deferring their management fees... that is the only issue that will have to be reconciled one way or the other; hopefully sooner rather than later.
w
I own FSK too. My understanding is that the current management team inherited some crappy loans a few years ago and have been working on cleaning all of that up. ARCC is by far my biggest holding, but I have a decent sized position in FSK too, bought last year.
Damon Judd profile picture
I am long several BDCs already but you make some compelling arguments for taking a closer look at this one. Thanks for the detailed writeup.
Double Dividend Stocks profile picture
@EnigmaDude
Thanks for reading and commenting.
DDS
ndardick profile picture
Many of your points are certainly well-taken as you picture FSK as one of the best of breed BDCs. However, FSK has in the past demonstrated some poor underwriting standards that will (if repeated by the same management team) become much more transparent as interest rates rise and the economy weakens. The price of FSK plummeted (by far more than the interest income taxable at ordinary income tax rates) during the Great Recession, when regulations restricted a BDC's borrowing to half as much as they do now. In those days, a lower percentage of loans made by BDCs (including FSK) were structured on a floating rate basis, but that is a double-edged sword in a recession as the borrowers might become unable to repay these loans to FSK. Leverage and repayment risk are prudent factors to consider and monitor as well as the current dividend yield and discount to NAV at which FSK trades. I have seen the discount to NAV for FSK frequently be far greater than it is now.
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@ndardick
Other info: The discount has been ~15% since the merger.
Thanks for reading and commenting.
DDS
Pablo profile picture
FSK is winning for me.
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DDS,

Thanks for the article, enjoyed reading it. FSK is by far, my largest BDC holding. Agree the huge discount to NAV and access to very low interest capital makes this attractive.

One thing you failed to mention is the 15M Q waiver in fees by management. This is for 6Q and runs through 2022. Being this is almost a 17B company, don’t see this as a major problem next year. Hope they continue share repurchases as it only increases NAV.

Greg
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@stonergreg13
Right. FSK should be able to successfully deal with fee waiver issue.
Thanks for your input.
DDS
snosaint profile picture
@Double Dividend Stocks @stonergreg13 @Brucejfern Is it a waiver as in they will not get paid or is it a deferral as in they will eventually need to get paid?
s
@snosaint,

Not a deferral, so fee will be reinstated Q1 2023

Greg
MaritimeTrader profile picture
Long FSK, it does not get much coverage like the ugly duckling but it churns out nice distributions.

MaritimeTrader
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@MaritimeTrader
We agree.

Thanks for reading and commenting.
DDS
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