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Netlist Is More Than A Lawsuit

May 03, 2022 8:31 AM ETNetlist, Inc. (NLST)22 Comments
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Jacob Braun


  • Netlist revenue grew 236.9% Y/Y.
  • Netlist is in the midst of what may be the largest patent infringement lawsuit in history.
  • Netlist continues to establish itself as more than a lawsuit.

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I give a Strong Buy rating to Netlist (OTCQB:NLST) because of its potential to create history. Very few opportunities like Netlist present themselves to the average citizen in a lifetime. Because Netlist is a small company

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@Jacob Braun so basically you wrote this to plug your youtube channel, because you probably are making more there off the ad's then you will off the falling knife known as netlist.

i will point out it was the CEO who stated that sk hynix settlement and samsung's investment that already set the RAND rates for anyone IF they are proven to be infringing. using this model we come to around 100M for samsung, and roughly 20M for micron. google will never owe a single cent as they never produced any goods they bought them all from places like smart, sk hynix, samsung, and micron.

can you show how you come up with "billions" when rand rates have already been set?
@pipster this didn't age well. Netlist won claim 16. Leave Jacob alone pipster. He does yeoman's work! I'm willing to bet his stock picks are 100times better than yours!

You obviously didn't pay attention to what the judge magistrate spero said after the discovery hearing early on in the case. Judge spero specifically stated that sales and profits are part and parcel to intervening rights. In other words everything that Google has benefited from regarding this patent will be taken into account and a price will be paid to Netlist. Google needs to open their books back all the way to 2014 for ddr4 which is what claim 16 reads on.
Can Google appeal this decision or are we at a "damage estimation" stage?
@candaul No appeal can be taken until the case is final, with a judgment entered by the trial court. They probably are at the trial stage or close to it, where all issues -- validity, infringement, damages -- will be tried to a jury. I have not seen anything that suggests Google is precluded from challenging Netlist on any of these issues, except intervening rights. Google can even still challenge validity. Any challenge based on the same grounds considered on reexamination of the patent by the Patent Office may be a non-starter with the jury, but in general there are many other patent defenses that Google potentially could assert. These cases are complicated. It is impossible to predict who may come out on top without a detailed study of the case, and even then it's a crapshoot.
Do you have a legal background/expertise bearing on these kinds of cases?
@candaul that is called an interlocutory appeal and you typically cannot appeal a partial summary judgment. During a case. They can always appeal after the case is finished. Netlist had a partial summary judgment Google had a summary judgment. I do believe that you can appeal a summary judgment if it's case dispositive but this one is not. That is the research that I've done previously.
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Netlist's Gail Sasaki said:
"As a reminder, we do not formally guide, but given the uncertainties within the supply chain that Chuck noted earlier, we currently expect Q2 '22 product revenue to be similar to Q1 '22, although we are targeting moderate growth."

What I read from this is, that they don't await too much increase in revenue. How does this relate your prediction of rapid growth?
Jake: I agree with almost everything except the risk. Samsung- The court found Sammy breached the contract and therefore continues to use the Netlist IP w/o authority therefore we have $$$ coming no matter what. 2nd re Google- it is not whether Netlist gets royalties but how far back. The worst scenario is 2 years, the best more than 10 years (we are talking billions). The patent does not expire until 1/26 so add future compensation to the mix. Re Micron- we are on a fast track and it appears Micron wants to discuss settlement but Netlist is awaiting claim construction in court scheduled for this month. In sum, I do not see a great deal of risk especially at $4 share. Seems like no brainer applying a risk benefit analysis. Long term investors just need to be patient.
@50 Cent007 your bang on.
I have been a Netlist investor for several years now and the company just continues to grow and they continue to win. As far as the Google case goes the ruling on the judgments associated with the intervening rights hearing that is the subject of the current litigation could come any day now. It has been 2 months as of today and typically the judges will issue a ruling within 90 days. I think it's important to note that Google is asking for absolute intervening rights. I personally think Google will lose their arguments based on my knowledge of the case but even if Google wins some of their intervening rights arguments, Netlist still gets paid.

Intervening rights would only mean that Google has to pay for a couple years instead of a decade or more but this would still be a very large number and they would need to license going forward. There is no bad outcome here. It's only a win-win situation.
Are you keeping track of the new developments with Claim 16 which Netlist has apparently won?
@bargains I am Boliver Shagnasty on stocktwits and GoogleStoleOurPatent on Yahoo message board and Hedge Apple Joe on Reddit. Thanks for the heads up but yes I'm aware. I post a lot of court documents.
I hope you will get a chance to comment on RunDog's comment above from today, 2022-5-8. He seems to think that Google might have multiple avenues to challenge the Netlist case and drag this thing out for a long period of time. My impression, for whatever it is worth, is that Google might want to put this whole ugly issue (of their creation) to bed and move on.
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