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Google: Buybacks Are The Way To Go

Mar. 11, 2023 5:03 AM ETAlphabet Inc. (GOOG), GOOGL65 Comments
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Summary

  • Google has 2 opportunities to show investors that it deserves a higher market valuation.
  • Stock buybacks and an advertising rebound are two potential leverage points for Google.
  • Google stock may continue to struggle in FY 2023 if the company doesn't create a catalyst for itself.

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Shares of Google (NASDAQ:GOOG) went into a post-earnings slump lately that lasted from the beginning of February until the end of the month as slowing advertising revenue growth went negative in Q4'22. However, Google could soon announce a new

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DKnewb profile picture
It's time for Google to mature and pay a dividend.
Waiting patiently, not only for GOOGL, but for all my holdings to gain in value. Profile. The powers to be indicate the turn around will not happen until the last half of 2024.
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17939962 profile picture
I detest buybacks. They don't put money in my pocket! Buybacks are a shell game : money goes out to buy the shares. But that doesn't affect total income! It doesn't change the value of the company! EPS goes up but how does that help me or anyone else? Theoretically it should increase the value of the shares. But that is only theory, because when I go to sell my holdings I don't know if something will have happened to kill the value of the shares! In other words it adds to my risk. If the company has a surfeit of cash it is much my preference that they issue a dividend. Buybacks encourages management to get involved in manipulating the market value of the shares rather than running the company.
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@17939962 you obviously don’t understand that buying a “share” of a company means you are entitled to your share of profits. The lower the number of outstanding shares, the higher your share is
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@17939962 It's not just theoretically... when a stock like Google typically trades at an average PE of 23, then when the eps go up, the share price goes up and thus your capital gains increase. Investing is a long game and over the long run, quality growth stocks typically outperform mature slower growing but high yield stocks. Of course they can be exceptions though.

But also if you just don't want capital gains, I think your time is better spent researching dividend stocks rather than whining that Google does buybacks rather than dividends...
17939962 profile picture
@dgi123 Please read above my reponse to V_uniqueacc with regard to the thesis of increasing eps through buybacks - as I mentioned, I believe I understand well the (theoretical?) concept of increasing EPS through share buybacks. Now let me continue : I agree with you on the point that investing is a 'long game'. However I do take exception to the inference that I'm a whiner and I suggest you are resorting to insult rather than rational argument on the issue. I give a lot of thought to composing a comment on the Seeking Alpha platform. In turn I would like to see others present well-thought answers in their comments. Having said that, let me say that as shareholders, I believe we should be the ones to choose the timing for buying or selling our share(s) of the company, not management. What if I don't want a greater share in this company! The right to diversify my portfolio belongs to me (and the other shareholders) and not to management! I remain firmly convinced that share buybacks are a 'shell game'. The inference to gambling is pejorative and deliberate.
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I do t think Google has a very clear and robust decline in share count because it keeps giving its employees fat cat stock plans.
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Very intuitive article.Google has a Lot of weapons to spur future growth as mentioned starting with buybacks but I would be interested in approximately how much of the 70 billion goes to retire outstanding shares and how much is allocated to stock based compensation. Cloud need to become profitable. Last quarter it lost 480 million on 7.3 billion of revenue. Add based revenue and search should bounce back and employee hiring was out of control and needs to be managed. Additionally management should hopefully be making a 4-5 billion return on their 100 billion in net cash. The argument that Google is undervalued is probably sound and I would add to my position if the stock dips into the 80’s again
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@Jlexus1953 @ocbearclaw What is with all of these people saying "employee hiring was out of control"... Even when they hired all those people, Google still earns more revenue and income per employee than they did in 2019 AND more than the other big tech companies. seekingalpha.com/...

And as they freeze hiring, these metrics will only improve.

And what's the point of vaguely commenting that you don't think the sharecount has been reduced enough. Sure, we all want more. We always more because we're greedy shareholders. But the share count has decreased so it's factually incorrect to imply that it only helps management and not us at all
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@dgi123 thanks for the reply! The record shows that over a 3 year period Alphabet was growing by 40% partly due to the home and work from home effect of the pandemic but they were increasing there workforce from 119,000 to 190,000 employees a 60% increase. 71,000 hires in 3 years begs the question of how you integrate, train, evaluate and insure that this amount of hires is purposeful. I am a strong supporter of buybacks if the purpose is to diminish the total number of outstanding shares but if a significant portion is being utilized to provide employees with stock based incentives and the number of employees is increasing by 60% you can see where the money is going. By the way it’s reported that Alphabet has one of the highest average employee salaries in the tech in industry. Business is not going to grow by 40% annually for a number of reasons so management needs to become more focused on their cost structure
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@Jlexus1953 I understand the numbers you quoted about hiring. What I'm saying is that even after increasing their workforce by 60% over the past 3 years, they still earn more revenue and income per employee than they did 3 years ago AND more than the other big tech companies. This shows that despite the rapid increase in employees, Google is still a very efficient company. Sure we want it to be more efficient, but the actual data from the link above demonstrate that there is nothing to worry about.

Yes much of the buyback money goes towards neutralizing SBC. But the number of shares has still decreased by about 8% over the past 5 years. Sure we always want more. But investing is about being patient and if Google continues to grow revenue and earnings and continues to steadily reduce share count, then I think 10 years from now Google will continue to be a great investment.

Yea we completely agree on that point. No one is saying Google's eps will grow by 40% going forward. But it is estimated to grow by 12-19% annually which means Google is still very much a growth stock
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Long hold for me.. am I the only one who would love them to pay a few pennies a share in dividends.. and start increasing it ...think APPL and MSFT over the last 10 years! Just a thought!
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@Valuestocks007 a small dividend would be great… I would take anything with a high dividend growth rate.
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@Valuestocks007 It's possible they do that in the future, but tbh I've seen many comments whine about the ~1% dividend from V, MA, AAPL, MSFT, etc. People seem to always complain about something so I'm not sure if it matters whether they do share buy backs or pay a few pennies in dividends.
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@Greenhorn Investor Thank you Greenhorn Investor, as always :)
Scobie profile picture
Most of Googles buybacks go to stock based compensation as opposed to companies like Apple where most buybacks actually reduce shares as I understand.
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@Scobie Apple bought back $90 billion worth of shares in 2022. In contrast, Google "only" bought back $59 billion. Given that, it's not really a surprise that Apple was able to buy back more shares...
Angel Muro profile picture
I think the same thats why is my 1st position in my portfolio. This company has a lot of ways to rebound its valuation.
Also the company diversifies their bussines models generating synergy beetwen them, for example the release of Pixel smartphone, fit bit divices, etc. I really would like they attempt to launch an operation Systems for computers.
The Asian Investor profile picture
@Angel Muro You are 100% correct and I believe buybacks are the best use of company cash right now
T
A few things…

Google got fat and happy. Now they need to get lean and hungry.

Cloud needs to turn a profit

Buy backs need to be stepped up at these levels

If you come to the realization that hyper growth will never return but solid 7% growth with the stock price slightly beating the market I am fine with that.

A small Visa like divided isn’t a bad idea but I don’t want this to become IBM

Lastly, stop burning money on moon shots that will never leave the lab and make a penny.
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@TDESQ
Yeah, someone should make sum up all those losses on Other Bets over the years, only on the last 9 months the loss is 4,4 billion USD. What are those people doing all days? Just burning cash and with hardly any tangible output after 10-15 years..Crazy.
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@Google investor if I didn’t know any better I’d say the secretaries from my old firm were running Other Bets. They were great at collecting a check and doing nothing
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@TDESQ @Google investor You claim that Google got "fat and happy" but provide no facts. Sure, we all wish our companies could do more with less but Google still earns more revenue and income per employee than they did in 2019 AND more than the other big tech companies. So things are not that bad.
seekingalpha.com/...

Where are you getting 7% growth?? EPS is projected to grow at 15% annually going forward. Google is still a growth stock, and very undervalued at that. PEG (FWD) is only 1, which is incredibly cheap.
Roboviper profile picture
The Cloud business needs to turn a profit.
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@Roboviper relax. Amazon failed to turn a profit last year and for decades it didn't turn a profit.

The last earnings call showed cloud is closing the gap. Assuming it's continued 30% YOY growth it should turn a profit very soon and continue to grow that profit.
The Asian Investor profile picture
@Roboviper I believe the business is on a good way, I have no problem with them prioritizing growth for now.
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@Google investor Your comment is wrong for several reasons...
1) Google's share buybacks have reduced the shares outstanding by about 7-8% over the past 5 years. I suppose you can still argue that this "isn't enough" but I think it's best to be quantitative and report the facts rather than vaguely whine about it not being enough www.macrotrends.net/...
2) You ask what Google has done for shareholders. How about delivering market beating returns for the past 5, 10, and 15 years? 😂🤑
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@dgi123
Today´s investor does not profit from yesterday's growth. That is pretty basic knowledge.
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@Google investor I agree. I don’t understand how buybacks are better than dividends? $5 billion a month in buybacks…but the share price is the same as it was two years ago. So what have I gained as a shareholder over the past 2 years from those $5 a month?
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@i3riank
Theoretically it should reduce the number of outstanding shares hence increasing earnings per share but Alphabet's stock compensation plan is out of control so instead of going to the owners the money goes to management. It is really awfull.

Alphabet should definitely have a dividend so that shareholders at least get some payback before management take their share.
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The problem with Google buybacks is that they don't reduce the number of outstanding shares enough because management is giving themselves huge amount of stock.

I just wonder what Sundar Pichai is adding to the shareholders. Nothing really.
The Asian Investor profile picture
@Google investor If you look at free cash flow, you see that Google is a very profitable enterprise :)
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@The Asian Investor
I know Google is a profitable company but management is enriching themselves rather than the owners. That is the main problem.

Sundar is useless, he is not a leader.
The Asian Investor profile picture
@Google investor CEOs of major tech companies are overpaid, I agree. But that doesn't mean that Google is not an attractive buy...
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