Medical Action Industries Inc. (MDCI) F1Q09 (Qtr End 06/30/08) Earnings Call Transcript August 7, 2008 10:00 AM ET
Executives
Richard Satin – VP of Operations and General Counsel
Paul Meringolo – Chairman, CEO and President
Charles Kelly – CFO
Analysts
Matthew Dolan – Roth Capital
Mitra Ramgopal – Sidoti
Gerry Heffernan – Lord Abbett & Co.
Steve Friedman – Wachovia Securities
Operator
Good morning. My name is Cheryl and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Medical Action Industries’ first quarter financial results conference call. (Operator instructions) It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host, Richard Satin; sir you may begin your conference.
Richard Satin
Thank you, Cheryl. Good morning and thank you all for holding. With me on this call are Paul D. Meringolo, CEO and President and Charles L. Kelly, Chief Financial Officer of Medical Action Industries. The primary purpose of this call is to discuss our results for the three months ended June 30, 2008, which were released this morning. As you know we must first touch all of the legal bases by noting that both our commentary and responses to your questions may include forward-looking statements.
These forward-looking statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties discussed in detail in our report on Form 10-K, Annual Report to Stockholders and our Quarterly Report on Form 10-Q, all of which have been filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The company's actual future results may vary.
I would like now to introduce Paul D. Meringolo.
Paul Meringolo
Good morning and thank you all for being here today. I assume that you have all had a chance to see the news release and so we are pleased with the quarter from a sales growth perspective with revenues growing more than 10% first quarter this year versus the first quarter last year. More than half of that growth has come from increased unit volume while a portion of it is from mix as well as price increases instituted over the past year. Let’s look briefly at the first quarter numbers.
Net sales for the first quarter reached a record $77,395,000; an increase of $7,149,000 or 10% over the $70,246,000 in net sales reported for 3 months ended June 30, 2007.
Net income for the first quarter was $2,546,000 or $0.16 per basic and diluted share, as compared with $3,512,000 or $0.22 per basic and diluted share reported for the prior year period.
We continue to feel the effects on gross margins from – as we spoke on last conference calls from increased cost of resin, increased cost of material sourced from China, and some of the efficiency issues that we are having in our Tennessee plant. In the first quarter the effects from those three totaled about $4.7 million. On the positive side, we continue to be pleased with the sales growth in that quarter, of course all of our major product categories. We have as we spoke last quarter we have hired a new – an additional VP of sales as well as our new CFO Chuck Kelly coming onboard. And we are pleased with the progress Perry [ph] is making with the sales team and structure as well as the progress Chuck is making in leading the financial functions of this business. So, it is two great (inaudible) for the business that we are very exited about.
From a sales side again we remain exited. There are a plethora of opportunities out there for us and we continue to work diligently on capturing those either in our current market or the existing markets outside of the hospital market, alternate care, international, veterinary that we try very hard to have deeper penetration in those markets.
From an expense side, we have continued to manage that rather effectively. Although we had a 10% top line growth our SG&A held pretty flat for the quarter, and even with the addition of senior sales executives. So, we are – we remain focused on making sure that we are prudent in how we spend our money both from a cost of goods sold and a capital side – capital equipment side but also from an expense side.
Let us just talk about some of the challenges we faced in the quarter and had been facing in previous quarters. And again I will break it up into a couple of different pieces and let’s just talk about cost of goods sold and if we take a look at resin I am sure I don’t have to educate everybody on what is going on in the plastics market. We continue to see higher cost of raw materials due to oil prices. First quarter cost impact on the P&L was about $1.7 million. Since our last call we have continued to see some increases in cost of resin. We have tried to manage them best as possible. As you can see from the balance sheet we have had some inventory tick up that has to do with some of the hedging that we tried to do by buying ahead of these increases. Right now we think we are in a fairly good position from an inventory perspective and hopefully resin will adjust down as well as oil has done over the last few weeks. That is what our hope is.
Again it is unclear whether that recent drop in oil is going to affect resin or not, but we remain hopeful that it will.
From a China perspective we continue to see pressure from cost of goods sold from China. First quarter costs totaled about $1.45 million. We have all indications that there we will continue to see some inflation from China, although we don’t believe it will be as volatile as resin. It is going to be something that we are going to have to learn to live with and manage that business accordingly. Both those issues, resin and China are not something that is remained to just Medical Action. These two issues are putting pressure on the entire medical device industry and a number of other businesses as well. And so we have got to make sure that we are focused on addressing those issues. So, with respect to cost of goods from those two items. Again, we have started to build a long-range plan to raise prices and these price increases as I have talked about on other conference calls are not something that impacts the P&L on day one. There are lengthy negotiations with current contracts that we have, there is notification timing that has to be done from a distribution side and from a group side and from a hospital side. There is some hesitancy from the market place because again this is – they have got to come in from all angles at them from the hospital side. So, I would take it is not an easy process to go through. We continue to be fair, honest, and prudent with our price increases to our customers. We continue to communicate what we see from a cost side and we continue to remain highly competitive and we want to be the low cost producers in the market that we compete in. We believe the customers are better educated than they have been in the last 6 months and that helps in the process and we will continue to be fair with them from a pricing model.
As you can see from the first quarter numbers there has been some effect due to raised prices in the market place and again that is only scratching the surface. From the most recent price increases I believe, our quarter was only impacted in June. So, we expect a full quarter of some of those increases to hit in the second quarter. But as I have said we have seen some escalating resin prices hit us more recently and even though we have done a good job at hedging some of that through purchasing I think we are going to – we are still going to be impacted from that in the short-term.
We do have a plan. We do have numerous contracts that have been renegotiated successfully and so we will continue to make sure that we educate, communicate, and be fair with our customers along with making sure that we adjust our contracts to not give long-term price protection and making sure that there are plenty of triggers which comes to commodity prices like resin in our contracts to make sure that we can adjust as needed along the contract period.
From an efficiency standpoint we are making progress, although in Q1 we have had a negative impact to the P&L of about $1.5 million, we continue to remain very optimistic about what the potential is in that plant in Tennessee. As I said on previous conference calls we have closed out Colorado. Colorado facility is shut down. All phones, all people are no longer present in that facility and all are in-house in the Tennessee facility. There has been a lot of work going on to upgrade the facility both from a machinery and equipment and just from a – just from a general plant process. We have installed two new rather large presses. We have installed four new robots on equipment that is going to help drive efficiency and downtime and help streamline the labor portion of our business. We have new presses, additional presses on order. We have done a lot of work to again the fundamentals of that operation, air and material handling and roof and flooring. And so we are very confident that in the next couple of quarters we will start to reap the benefits of those processes and equipment that we put in place.
We also have focused on making sure that we have got the right people in the right spots. And I think from a mechanical side, from a technical side, and now from a plant supervision side we have made the necessary changes that we have got the right team in place to drive the culture that exists in all of our facilities here stateside and we are very confident that over the next couple of quarters that that team along with the capital investments that we are making in that business will bear fruit in the upcoming quarters.
We anticipate that we are going to – we will – it will be a continual process to invest in that plant and equipment and processes, but I think we have made a – we have taken a major chunk with the equipment that has been installed and the decisions that we have made on new equipment that will – due to be installed in the next 3 to 4 months.
From the future, we continue to anticipate strong sales. We view this period of time for Medical Action as a bump in the road and we are confident in our ability to address these issues. We continue to monitor oil prices and how the changes in China will affect our costs. We will continue to communicate with our customers and rise pricing accordingly. We will continue to invest in Tennessee and the rest of our plants and in our businesses and we are optimistic about our ability to move our margins up and to get earnings back to record results. And so with that unless Chuck or Richard have anything else they want to add to that commentary, I would love to open the floor up for questions.
Question-and-Answer Session
Operator
Thank you. (Operator instructions) Your first question is coming from Matthew Dolan of Roth Capital.
Matthew Dolan – Roth Capital
Hi, guys. Good morning.
Paul Meringolo
Hi, Matt.
Charles Kelly
Good morning Matt.
Matthew Dolan – Roth Capital
Question on the sales line, any highlights you can give us there Paul, were there any big orders or categories that shipped during the June period that provided the upside, at least relative to our numbers, and then maybe break it out Medegen versus Medical Action?
Paul Meringolo
Normal business. There were no real anomalies from an ordering standpoint. I think it was pretty much across all product categories. I think – again I think you will see it in the Q, but I think it was pretty healthy across the product categories.
Matthew Dolan – Roth Capital
Okay, very good and then as we look at these price increases a couple of questions, but it sounds like you are getting a couple of big increases in the September period. Can you maybe outline the rest of fiscal year in terms of when we should see improvements in pricing and how that really should affect gross margin. And the second question is relative to your competitors, how are they reacting in this environment, you know, as you balance your plant to raise prices to offset your cost but try to maintain obviously your customer base. What are you seeing the competition doing and is that impacting your ability to maintain your account base or take accounts from them?
Paul Meringolo
The national players more and more are doing exactly what we expected them to do, is raise prices. They are – and some of them are little slower than we had anticipated, but when they came they came hard in certain price categories. So that allows me to be a little bit bullish with respect to the plastic side of our business. China side is a little bit different because you got some irrational players in there that are vying for some position in the market place. So, they may act irrational from a price standpoint but I don’t believe that they are going to be able to withstand that long-term. I think quality will suffer, service will suffer, and on a lot of those items they are invasively used and we are just not going to comprise there. So, we are going to study the course from that perspective and again be fair with our customers. From a volatility standpoint we believe the China side is not as dramatic as the – once it stabilizes as resin. So, when you take a look at our price increases, you have got, they are really all over the place. You know, you have got some that you know will hit in June, you have got some that are going to be effective November 1st. You have got some that are going to effective December 1st. You have got some that are going to be effective January 1st. You have got some that are going to be effective October 1st. So, I think you know it is going to be a – there is a lot of contracts, there are lot of different situations, and they range anywhere from 5% to 12% in some cases. So, it is a – it depends on product category, it depends on commitment, it depends on a lot of things, but again we are fairly confident that we are going to win more than we lose in that process.
Matthew Dolan – Roth Capital
Okay, and then finally on the gross margin maybe for Chuck or Richard too but is there a time when you expect or can you give us maybe a timeline of when you get above 20 or closer to that 23% to 25% target, any timeline brackets we could put around that?
Charles Kelly
I don’t think we are at the point where we are going to start forecasting the margins are going pick up over 20%. That is certainly going to hinge on the improvements in the efficiency in the factory, the manufacturing variances which we expect to improve over the balance of the year and gain traction with the price increases that were in place last year, most of all we did during the fourth quarter. So, we haven’t done any modeling as far as when the percentage is going to move forward, just qualitatively we know that are going to start picking up for us.
Matthew Dolan – Roth Capital
Okay, great thanks guys.
Charles Kelly
Thanks Matt.
Paul Meringolo
Thanks Matt.
Operator
(Operator instructions) Your next question is coming from Mitra Ramgopal of Sidoti.
Mitra Ramgopal – Sidoti
Yes. Hi, good morning guys.
Paul Meringolo
Hi Mitra.
Charles Kelly
Good morning.
Mitra Ramgopal – Sidoti
A couple of questions, again just coming back to the nice top line we saw in the quarter, how much of that was volume as opposed to price?
Paul Meringolo
A little bit more than half was volume and the other percentage was some from mix, most from price.
Mitra Ramgopal – Sidoti
Okay, and again you mentioned your hedging for resin. I don’t know if you gave us a sense as to how much of your resin needs for fiscal ’09 you are hedged?
Charles Kelly
In some facilities we are out 6 months and in another facility we could be at 4 months.
Mitra Ramgopal – Sidoti
Okay, and I know, you mentioned you are boosting some of your investments, if you can tell us what you are planning for CapEx this year?
Charles Kelly
Well, Mitra, look I just don’t want to confuse the buildings, the building project. When you talk about equipment in that plant, you are probably talking north of $5 million of CapEx.
Mitra Ramgopal – Sidoti
Okay, and again just sort of if you can give us an update on the SAP system that was implemented, if it is fully operational, have you started to see any benefits from it as yet?
Charles Kelly
It is not fully operational. From a sales standpoint, you know, revenue and invoicing we are fully operational. We are now going through an integration of merging back-end manufacturing accounting systems from an SAP standpoint and we expect that to be completed in this fiscal year is what we are targeting.
Paul Meringolo
And is principally clean up and administrative work. The power of the system is supports the business from a sales and market intelligence and where we are touching the customers it is all in place in operating. This is more back office, accounting, warehouse managing and the like which is going to add value to us and efficiencies in the plant but is not going to be the big driver behind the systems investment (inaudible).
Mitra Ramgopal – Sidoti
Okay, finally again it seems like really nice top line here and obviously it is tough to predict where prices going forward for commodities will be but is it fair to assume that you know, going forward in light of the price increases efficiencies et cetera that you expect to realize that we should start seeing some improvement off of the first quarter?
Paul Meringolo
From a top line standpoint?
Mitra Ramgopal – Sidoti
No overall profitability.
Paul Meringolo
And again it all remains on what happens with resin cost and what goes on with the progress we make from Gallaway, Tennessee facility. Okay.
Mitra Ramgopal – Sidoti
Thanks again guys.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is coming from Gerry Heffernan of Lord Abbett & Co.
Gerry Heffernan – Lord Abbett & Co.
Hi. Good morning everybody.
Paul Meringolo
Hi, Gerry.
Charles Kelly
Hi, Gerry.
Gerry Heffernan – Lord Abbett & Co.
You feed my curiosity when you had the response an earlier question about the reactions of your competitors and if you would just bear with me. If you could just go over that, just with any more detail that you can, I believe the rational ones they did raise, but it took them longer, if you could give a little bit more detail of the timeline, what percent of the market is still irrational? I will let it go with that?
Charles Kelly
Well, there are so many different markets. In some of the China related items there is probably more irrational than there are rational players in some of those markets. Now they don’t have the infrastructure. They don’t have the market presence, they don’t have the reputation, but they have the ability to compete solely on price. And so some of those items are invasively used and I don’t think that our customer can be totally comfortable in choosing one of them versus ours. And again I don’t think that we are priced 40% higher than them. We are competitive with them. We are just not off the quality or consistency or down in the gutter from a price standpoint. In some of the plastics markets, we have seen some of our competitors go out and categorically raise prices and tell their group contracts that if they don’t take the price increase they will cancel the contracts. So –
Gerry Heffernan – Lord Abbett & Co.
So, much more hardline there?
Charles Kelly
So, much more hardline which –
Gerry Heffernan – Lord Abbett & Co.
When did you see that starting to happen?
Charles Kelly
Recently, we have been kind of been waiting for that. Of course, you know it is – people want to separate and the market wants to separate our growth from you know unit versus price and it is price doesn’t happen by osmosis – our sales people have to go out and sell that and so when you are out there selling that and sometimes when you competitors aren’t as loud as you are and maybe not as armed or communicating with the customers as you are, it makes it little bit tough on a day-to-day basis to do that and when they finally come and take a hard stance I think it gives our people in the field a little more juice to go out there and rise prices. Again, we are just trying to be fair to our customers and be fair to our company and our shareholders in these increases. We are not trying to pump up our business, we are trying to get a fair return from the product we sell to them and just mitigate these increases that we are getting.
Gerry Heffernan – Lord Abbett & Co.
Okay, in regards to the China products and you are saying many of these are invasive products. So, in that regard you have any other greater concern. I mean, there is a conscient [ph] aspect about what these products are being used for. To what extent can you sell this to the customers. Saying, look those guys are out there on price but at this point we don’t even where they get it from or?
Charles Kelly
We do that every day and we have done that for 30 years, Gerry. This is not a new phenomenon. You know whether there is – I think the cost pressures that China poses will put significant pressure on those smaller guys because if they work on 2% to 3% margin and their price goes up 5% or 6% or 7%, they are not going to be able to sustain that over a long period of time.
Gerry Heffernan – Lord Abbett & Co.
Okay, right. I understand it is not a new phenomenon, but the fact that the profitability of the products is now being pressured. That is somewhat of a new phenomenon.
Charles Kelly
I believe – my belief is this is all about timing. And so you have had a deflationary trend for the last 30 years with these products and now that deflationary trend has halted and now you are going to them for price increase for the first time in – as long as I am in this business. So I think it is just going to take some time for the market to regulate to the current environment and as long as we continue to be the low cost producer and be fair and prudent on our increases, I think at the end of the day we win.
Gerry Heffernan – Lord Abbett & Co.
Fair enough. Balance sheet, I see total debt levels are – they are up about 4 or 4.2 [ph], I don’t know if there is any short-term stuff out there but I also see that accounts receivable up 3.7 and inventory is up?
Paul Meringolo
The accounts receivables are up (inaudible) the cash flows we received a payment from one of our customers right after the quarter-end that would go back in line with historical levels. But the debt is up including some short-term borrowings if they are doing the finance, the CapEx that we are putting in place plus the building.
Charles Kelly
Plus inventory is up.
Gerry Heffernan – Lord Abbett & Co.
Right and inventory is up. I just wanted to go through the items. I mean the math makes sense. I just wanted to make sure I understand the items. It looks like you should add $3 or $4 million of operating cash flow to your – I guess that once accounts receivable aspect would have done, and you have made the proactive decision to buy more I guess (inaudible) resins or plastics.
Charles Kelly
Yes.
Gerry Heffernan – Lord Abbett & Co.
Okay, and that should be a done deal now so we would expect the cash flow to go back to normal operating levels in future quarters?
Paul Meringolo
Yes.
Gerry Heffernan – Lord Abbett & Co.
Okay, in regards to the gross margin, my numbers maybe off, but it looks like the gross margin for this quarter degraded about 20 basis points sequentially but given where we are at let us just call it – it seems relatively similar performance in gross margin from the fourth quarter – fiscal fourth quarter to this first quarter. Are you ready to call from what you see, are you ready to call this a trough level? I understand you don’t want to forecast but are you willing to call this the bottom?
Paul Meringolo
We tell you that we are forecasting aren’t we. I mean, we like to believe that –
Gerry Heffernan – Lord Abbett & Co.
Well, bottom to last for two quarters or bottom to last for 20 quarters.
Paul Meringolo
I understand that.
Gerry Heffernan – Lord Abbett & Co.
Preferably not but –
Paul Meringolo
We believe that as we have said in a macro sense that by the end of 2009 we would be looking out of it and it is clearly a question of whether it is going to happen over the next month or two or over the next 3 or 4 months. I mean that is a little bit difficult to quantify. We like to (inaudible) deliver. Certainly by the end of the second quarter we will be looking for the uptick. I can’t call what the second quarter is going to look like but clearly we are looking for improvement from second to third and kind of getting into the fourth.
Gerry Heffernan – Lord Abbett & Co.
Okay, I will get back in queue. Thank you very much.
Paul Meringolo
Thanks, Gerry.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question is coming from Steve Friedman of Wachovia Securities.
Paul Meringolo
Good morning, Steve.
Steve Friedman – Wachovia Securities
Good morning, Paul and Richard. I think most of my questions have been answered. I just had a question. Do you anticipate any type of interruption product due to China is slowing everything down during the Olympics?
Paul Meringolo
That would have happened already.
Steve Friedman – Wachovia Securities
It is all right.
Paul Meringolo
I think we are okay.
Steve Friedman – Wachovia Securities
All right. One other quick question, on the quarter $4.7 million was the number that you reported for the –
Paul Meringolo
Combined.
Steve Friedman – Wachovia Securities
Pardon.
Paul Meringolo
Yes, from the combined problems.
Steve Friedman – Wachovia Securities
From the combined problems and the resin and sourcing from China and the inefficiencies. In the quarter we are in right now can you model or forecast where progress might be made the most in any of those three areas as far as bringing cost down?
Paul Meringolo
(inaudible) Steve.
Steve Friedman – Wachovia Securities
Yes.
Paul Meringolo
What you want us to do and I understand it very well you want to box us in as to when you are going to see relief. Okay. And I can tell you from a pricing –
Steve Friedman – Wachovia Securities
I would never want to box you in Paul.
Paul Meringolo
Well listen that is – we understand that and we understand it is our obligation to make sure that we provide you with the most crisp, up-to-date information to provide you insight as to where our business is. We can’t predict what is going to happen with resin, we can’t predict what is going to happen with China. All we can do is anticipate and react accordingly. Right now we believe that the progress we are making is in the right direction. We believe that the quickest impact to our P&L is to make sure that we wring out those inefficiencies in that plant and then drive cost reduction from our new processes in that plant and the mindset that we have to drive throughout that organization. So, the quickest – the quickest way to have a significant impact to the P&L is that as well as executing the price increases that we either have in place already or are in the midst of negotiating as we speak.
Steve Friedman – Wachovia Securities
All right. Thank you very much.
Paul Meringolo
Thank you, Steve.
Operator
Thank you. This ends our question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn to the floor over back to management for any closing remarks.
Paul Meringolo
We just remain exited about the potential here. Our annual meeting is next week. It is August 14. It is at the (inaudible). We hope to see you all there. I think it begins at 9 a.m. So we look forward to seeing you all there and thanks for being with us today and we look forward to speaking to you in the next quarter call. Take care.
Operator
Thank you. This concludes today’s Medical Action Industries first quarter financial results conference call. You may now disconnect.
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