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The Chicago Mercantile Exchange offers futures contracts on the US housing market which track the S&P/Case-Shiller Home Price Indices that provide median home sale price data for 20 cities across the country. CME offers futures contracts for 10 of the 20 cities along with a composite index of the 10 cities that expire over various months from November 2007 through November 2011.
From the current price levels of these futures (July data released Tuesday), the housing picture is not pretty going forward. Below we have created charts of the 10 cities that include the actual home price data from S&P/Case-Shiller (blue lines) along with the prices of the futures contracts over at CME (red lines). The percentage number that we provide is the difference between the current median home price and the lowest priced contract for each city.
As shown, Miami home prices are expected to fall 28% from current price levels. San Francisco is second worst at -26% and San Diego is third at -19%. Investors are predicting the composite index to fall 14% before coming back slightly by 2011. So while some are hoping home prices have already bottomed, investors actually putting their money to work are betting on much more significant declines.
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Oh, and the average household income is only $53,600. The housing bubble will burst, which is why buyers are simply waiting for it to happen, and sellers won't reduce their prices to reflect reality, that and sellers will have a mortgage worth more than their house.
This housing mess is going to take a few years to straighten out. In the meantime, if I owned a house in Calfornia, Florida or any other inflated area, get ready for a very rude awakening.
The American Dream of suburbia never was sustainable for more than a few generations
Cities will see the largest loss in value, and suburbia will be next to worthless.
Either deal with Reality, or Reality will deal with you.
The "window" of % change in house prices is very large that far in the future. The "ask" price for 2011 San Francisco is 185, meaning that in 2001 someone is willing to sell a future where realestate in San Francisco is %185 of its jan 2000 real estate prices. The "bid" price is 152%, meaning that someone is willing to buy a future where realestate is %152 of its jan 2000 real estate price. If the latter is accepted, and San Francisco real estate ended up being 200%, the person who sold you that future must pay the difference i.e. they pay you 48% for each unit (1 unit = $250 ?). If you really think this is a bubble, then you can buy the 185% future now and you'll be rich (because the seller must pay you bubble prices when the bubble is gone)! If you think prices will increase to 300%, you can sell some futures to the %152 clown and he'll have to give you San Francisco real-estate at half price. It'll be interesting to see what happens if the 401k's start to diversify into this area. Can you imagine rebalancing your contributions with imaginary houses based on housing futures? I guess i find it strange that we have housing futures but no underlying "house" stock we can buy and sell now. Anyway, this is half speculation because no-one is actuallying buying/selling these futures. If it really was a bubble, wouldn't people be buying the 185% futures??
i found the following article a comprehensive assesment of deriving house prices from market data
www.federalreserve.gov...
and its conclusions are based on the 3 "moments" of investor expectations
1. Where are prices going
2. how certain are we in 1.
3. are the housing projections skewed to the downside implying a bubble?
The conclusions based on more concrete statistics are
1. prices will have a modest decline
2. volatility of future contracts are high compared to historical trends i.e. there's a lot of uncertainty
3. They analysed the futures of home building company equities to deduce that there is not a significant skew downwards. Only a modest bubble?
1 unit = $250 * index value
so in my example above, they pay you 0.48x250x152=$18240.
(i'm assuming it's based on index value when future bought?)
www.cme.com/trading/pr...
they pay you 48x250x152=$1,824,000
Thanks,
Jay
it looks like early 2011 we will begin a recovery in most areas of the country..
whats interesting is looking at those city charts,a good number swing back up after late 2010-into 2011,but that chart only goes as far as 2011,and if you look at Miami,San Diego/San Fran..no upward recovery movement on prices even by 2011.
it looks like California and florida have a long way to go for a real estate recovery.
Those numbers are percentage drop predictions from current price levels..so while it says they expect a 19% drop in San Diego prices by 2011,thats not taking into account the price drops San diego has already had over the past 18-24 months.
so it you figure San diego has already lost about 8-10% in it's median price over the past 18-24 months ..they expect a total of about -28% drop in median price all together in SD by 2011,again I see no upward hint of movement in SD by 2011 in that prediction chart,so who knows after 2011 if the drop will be more or if it will swing back up after 2011.